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#1 FightGame26

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 01:53 AM

My boy Dalton has sensational+ and his opponent was significantly taller plus I had prediction set to him going nothing but takedowns and our wrestling primary is similar...I just don't get what more I could do to prevent it any pointers? http://mmatycoon.com...php?FTID=969487
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#2 XxxtremeT13

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:56 AM

Dont forget to factor in physicals. Do you have useless balance....speed? His fighter might have wonderful or higher speed and maybe higher balance. Which would give him a greater success rate if your fighter is useless in those areas. Its. It just about primaries and secondaries. Physicals that are specific to the skill are a great factor too
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:16 AM

On top of that - Takedown Defense is just not the most effective skill in the game. Takedown effectiveness was upped a while ago and from my experience (and from what I read it´s always been like this) you never get to avoid the takedown altogether; you get taken down then you either control or escape from the ground.

 

So on top of TDD you have to train Def. Grappling or Escapes or both.


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#4 Lefty

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:19 AM

My understanding has always been that all other skills are more  important than TD's and TDD. Everything I've witnessed in this game engine leads me to believe this. 

And although I have had fights where my TDs are getting stuffed from bell to bell, I still only attribute that to good tactics, a fluke of the numbers.


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#5 FightGame26

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:00 PM

Dont forget to factor in physicals. Do you have useless balance....speed? His fighter might have wonderful or higher speed and maybe higher balance. Which would give him a greater success rate if your fighter is useless in those areas. Its. It just about primaries and secondaries. Physicals that are specific to the skill are a great factor too

My balanace is proficient and that's my weakest physical I've often thought it's way to low....


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#6 FightGame26

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:01 PM

My understanding has always been that all other skills are more  important than TD's and TDD. Everything I've witnessed in this game engine leads me to believe this. 

And although I have had fights where my TDs are getting stuffed from bell to bell, I still only attribute that to good tactics, a fluke of the numbers.

lol I'm glad I'm figuring this out after I've spend damn near 100 sessions on takedown d lmao


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#7 FightGame26

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:02 PM

On top of that - Takedown Defense is just not the most effective skill in the game. Takedown effectiveness was upped a while ago and from my experience (and from what I read it´s always been like this) you never get to avoid the takedown altogether; you get taken down then you either control or escape from the ground.

 

So on top of TDD you have to train Def. Grappling or Escapes or both

 

training set to nothing but def grappling as of now thanks


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#8 FightGame26

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:08 PM

I've read a thread saying escapes are broken so I've never even bothered with them how much slower does it take to learn escapes? If it took me 98 sessions to get to sensational takedown d it would take what amount to get escapes up to that level (both skills start at useless)


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#9 HareRumpler

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:15 PM

I've read a thread saying escapes are broken so I've never even bothered with them how much slower does it take to learn escapes? If it took me 98 sessions to get to sensational takedown d it would take what amount to get escapes up to that level (both skills start at useless)

This was recently fixed (within the past 3 weeks or so)...supposedly.  Has anybody tested it and tried to measure it since the fix?


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 01:44 PM

This was recently fixed (within the past 3 weeks or so)...supposedly.  Has anybody tested it and tried to measure it since the fix?

Yes.  It has increased to the same spd as other secs for new creations and low total skill pt fighters.  


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#11 HareRumpler

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:19 PM

Yes.  It has increased to the same spd as other secs for new creations and low total skill pt fighters.  

Are you simply confirming that this was supposed to have been fixed, or are you saying you've tested and measured it as well and can verify that it is?


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#12 Jackking

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:21 PM

The latter... however the spd was not the same for high skill pt fighters/fighters already at their skill cap. 


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#13 Rambo

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 05:49 AM

TD def is still super efficient. You need TD Def, balance, and strength. Hiddens like IQ and confidence can impact success/failure depending on how the fight is rolling.
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Posted 04 June 2019 - 03:15 PM

This was recently fixed (within the past 3 weeks or so)...supposedly.  Has anybody tested it and tried to measure it since the fix?


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#15 Killerjudo

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 07:15 AM

Just like in real life, a relentless wrestler WILL get the takedown if you cant knock him out or make him scared to shoot. Its just a matter of time otherwise.
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#16 Monsieur.Camara

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 02:36 PM

Balance and Yoga training are very important. Rule of thumb: make sure all your physicals are elite or almost elite before fighting.
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Posted 07 June 2019 - 05:42 PM

Balance and Yoga training are very important. Rule of thumb: make sure all your physicals are elite or almost elite before fighting.

I'd definitely advise against that, at least if you want to know your hiddens. Might want to train secondaries first.


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#18 Monsieur.Camara

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 06:20 PM

I'd definitely advise against that, at least if you want to know your hiddens. Might want to train secondaries first.


Good point, should have worded that better: before fighting for reals

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#19 Rambo

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 12:46 AM

Balance and Yoga training are very important. Rule of thumb: make sure all your physicals are elite or almost elite before fighting.

 

 

not necessary at ID restriction... but boosting physicals is crucial.


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#20 TJMitchell

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 12:56 AM

What is this 'testing' everyone speaks of? Y'all should experience the rush of the surprise you get after months of training.

 

 

 

(this is not advice to be followed)


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