sabaton Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Since 350k I've created 24 noobs. Of those, only 1 so far is a guaranteed keeper. 2 Cuts easy 9 Powerful 3 slow learners 3 Strong 1 No morale 1 Cardio Machine 3 KO Power (but they could still not pan out) 2 Granite chins (1 still has to lose) That's a whopping 5 of 24 that might last long enough to retire. I've been here since almost the beginning and have never seen such putridness before. Especially rolling "powerful" 9 frickin times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Powerful pops up when strength is at certain level, same with cardio machine. Now if it was at wonderful and popped up, no bueno. I have 18 yr old fighter, 48 sessions to superb+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 YOu gotta test with 1 strength and low cardio. are you testing learning speed? My 350`s I would keep as low as 5.25 learning speed but it`s not enough, for 360k my minimum is 6 nothing lower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popart Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 I havent rolled any cardio machines and I always max out cardio at creation, but I figure if none of his hiddens are above cardio machine on the tott then he isnt worth keeping anyways. Tough break man, hopefully you get some killers here soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 YOu gotta test with 1 strength and low cardio. are you testing learning speed? My 350`s I would keep as low as 5.25 learning speed but it`s not enough, for 360k my minimum is 6 nothing lower Exactly same situation here. Only 5.5 im keeping is for grappling only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 Go check my manager events since 360k ID came and then complain. 44 fighters sacked so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 Its tough for sure I have gone through a ton. 44 Jake? man you have some patience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 No complaints from me!! I hacked the game and gave myself perfect hiddens!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 Go check my manager events since 360k ID came and then complain. 44 fighters sacked so far. 44? Holy shit LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaton Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 I havent rolled any cardio machines and I always max out cardio at creation, but I figure if none of his hiddens are above cardio machine on the tott then he isnt worth keeping anyways. Tough break man, hopefully you get some killers here soon. This is it exactly. Powerful is based on strength. I had been starting with high str/con. So I figured, if his strength was the highest, the rest would be putrid. My last few noobs I went with lower strength but still got a couple of Powerfuls even though conditioning was higher. So to create 24 noobs and most aren't rolling a hidden higher than 100 is pretty damn pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaton Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 YOu gotta test with 1 strength and low cardio. are you testing learning speed? My 350`s I would keep as low as 5.25 learning speed but it`s not enough, for 360k my minimum is 6 nothing lower Learning speed is the ONLY thing I've rolled pretty well with lol. I mean, I have certainly had a bunch in the 5's range, but with the way I'm building my guys, I don't need them to have 6+ learning speed. 5.4+ is a keeper for learning speed but I'd still probably keep 5-5.4 if they had a good hidden, like Granite chin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 This is it exactly. Powerful is based on strength. I had been starting with high str/con. So I figured, if his strength was the highest, the rest would be putrid. My last few noobs I went with lower strength but still got a couple of Powerfuls even though conditioning was higher. So to create 24 noobs and most aren't rolling a hidden higher than 100 is pretty damn pathetic You can have 150 heart and it will still show as powerful on tott. Also good/solid chin goes behind powerful I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Always create with 109 cardio. On 160 recovery supp you can train every day of the week and be around 89-90% energy which puts you back at 100% energy by Monday. Repeat. Never miss a session. You could probably accomplish this with 89-99 cardio too but I can't recall testing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaton Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Always create with 109 cardio. On 160 recovery supp you can train every day of the week and be around 89-90% energy which puts you back at 100% energy by Monday. Repeat. Never miss a session. You could probably accomplish this with 89-99 cardio too but I can't recall testing it. You can do it with 89, which is what I use. I had then been putting the rest of the points into strength but seeing as how I'm always rolling powerful, I ain't gonna do that any more! =P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Always create with 109 cardio. On 160 recovery supp you can train every day of the week and be around 89-90% energy which puts you back at 100% energy by Monday. Repeat. Never miss a session. You could probably accomplish this with 89-99 cardio too but I can't recall testing it. Interesting, might not go as high as 109 but 89 defo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Create with 1 strength, 10 cardio. 99.9% of my creations are done like this. Max cardio mean you can train all week from the start, yes, but the time it takes to get the other physicals up to the level you could have started them at is longer than the time it takes to get cardio and strength up. Logic. If you want to be efficient with your time then this is the best way. Convince me otherwise with maths if you dare! Having high cardio or strength can mean you see “Powerful/Cardio Machine”, which can override seeing “good chin”, which is a keeping hidden. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Create with 1 strength, 10 cardio. 99.9% of my creations are done like this. this is how Grumpy taught me for main land creation. somethin about the maths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 By 10 cardio, you mean 100 cardio? If you have to train cardio, rest, cardio, cardio, rest, cardio, cardio, cardio, rest, cardio, etc... In the long run you're missing out on sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMitchell Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 I've always gone whatever the max in cardio is then rest in speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaton Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Create with 1 strength, 10 cardio. 99.9% of my creations are done like this. Max cardio mean you can train all week from the start, yes, but the time it takes to get the other physicals up to the level you could have started them at is longer than the time it takes to get cardio and strength up. Logic. If you want to be efficient with your time then this is the best way. Convince me otherwise with maths if you dare! Having high cardio or strength can mean you see “Powerful/Cardio Machine”, which can override seeing “good chin”, which is a keeping hidden. I tested this a few years back and did not find it to be faster. I don't remember exactly but I thought it took 2 months to train up strength and cardio when they start at 0. And as the previous post stated, you would be resting a lot at the beginning to boot. And if you tried QFCing right away to test hiddens, it's almost an automatic loss with such low con/str. The only advantage, IMO, doing it this way is, as you mentioned, to avoid seeing powerful/cardio machine. That in itself COULD be worth it even if it takes a little longer to get all physicals to their appropriate values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 No way in the world starting with 10 cardio could save you time. You have to rest at least 2-3 sessions a week and train just cardio and you lose a month or two of your fighter's highest learning speed just to be cheap and save some CT sessions with a coach. Cardio machine and Good gas tank show up at sensational-- conditioning, so starting with high conditioning wouldnt be a problem for a test fight. I don't suggest testing hiddens with higher than 10(10 out of 150) strength cause you might get false results about your fighter's ko power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 I always do 110 cardio 78 strength. In my experience strength gain from circuits and secondary training is significantly lower than other physicals. Starting with 78 evens that out in the long run. As for powerful, it starts appearing at 100 strength and overrides everything else than cardio machine (>=130 cardio), insanely flexible (>=130 flex), granite chin (>=130 chin) or top level KO power. You can still have insane hiddens all around and still pop powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Keep in mind that KO Power only overrides strength on the left hand side (powerful), and never on the right hand side (very strong) iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 You can get false KO Power left side TOTT if you test with high strength, cause for TOTT strength boosts KO Power. I have seen it happen to a lot of fighters - first fight they pop KO Power left side and second fight they pop almost everything else on right side TOTT - inexperienced, tends to cut, very confident, likes pizza, intelligent, determined and etc. That's why I always test with as low strength as possible. It is true that strength improves slower from CT compared to other physicals but you can always do 15-20 sessions of weights training with muscle bulk supp and strength gains are insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Here is one example for the stuff I said. We are looking at Jimmy Decosta: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=830427 - first fight shows Prefers Standup on right TOTT, which means that his hiddens are meh http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=835105 - second fight shows KO Power on left TOTT and I honestly don't believe that he had high KO Power hidden. To me the true indicators for having high KO Power hidden are Heavy Handed(right TOTT), Big Right Hand(left TOTT), KO Power(left TOTT when testing with very very low strength) and Lethal High Kicks(both sides TOTT, but it is impossible to get it early on cause it requires a mixture of kicks, flexibility, strength and KO Power hidden) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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