Rei Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 The official UFC P4P rankings have often been the subject of controversy when it comes to fans as everyone seems to have their own differing opinions. Even the concept of Pound for Pound greatest fighters is debated as there is no official criteria regarding the ranks. Currently (as of 18/12/17) they stand at: Now, I'm wondering what the bright minds of Mmatycoon think about the P4P rankings, and what changes they would make if it were up to them. What does your list look like? Which fighters deserve to be higher or lower? Post your list below and lets get talkin' To kick things off, my list would be: 1. Jon Jones (though USADA may change this) 2. Daniel Cormier 3. Demetrious Johnson 4. Robert Whittaker 5. Max Holloway 6. Stipe Miocic 7. Conor McGregor 8. Tony Ferguson 9. TJ Dillashaw 10. Tyron Woodley 11. Khabib Nurmagomedov 12. Georges St-Pierre 13. Rafael Dos Anjos 14. Cody Garbrandt 15. Francis Ngannou Insult my list, post yer own, do whatever you want - but lets talk P4P. Current of course, not all-time or anything like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I could spend hours arranging and rearranging the order, but these are my top ten, in a loose order: DJ Holloway Cormier Ferguson RDA Miocic Woodley Snake Whittaker Puno 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonStolz Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 P4P is always a tough subject to debate. I always feel like one of the biggest factors is what the person's level of competition is. But even that's hard to judge because DJ has always beaten the best Flyweights, but very few have ever made the P4P, so has his level of competition really been that great? I guess my list would look something like this: 1: Max Halloway 2: Demetrious Johnson 3: Tony Ferguson 4: Daniel Cormier (Jon Jones has been disqualified from my rankings) 5: GSP (if he retires in a month I'm kicking him off this list so fast) 6: TJ Dillashaw 7: Robert Whittaker 8: Conor McGregor 9: Jose Aldo 10: Dominick Cruz 11: Stipe Miocic 12: Khabib Nurmagomedov (I put him pretty low because of inactivity) 13: T-Wood 14: Joanna Not Champion 15: Francis Ngannou I change my mind on a daily basis, so my list probably isn't worth much lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Cruz is way too low in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Cruz is way too low in my opinion. That's fair, he could be anywhere from 11-15 on my list depending on the specific order. Aldo is another one that could easily occupy one of those spots too. Like LeonStolz said, my list will be different on any given day lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I could spend hours arranging and rearranging the order, but these are my top ten, in a loose order: DJ Holloway Cormier Ferguson RDA Miocic Woodley Snake Whittaker Puno lol Jon Jones DJ GSP Max Holloway Stipe Miocic Conor McGregor Tony Ferguson Khabib (after he beats Barboza) Robert Whitaker D.C. Tyron Woodley T.J. Dillashaw Gegard Mousasi Francis Ngannou wildcard; Cruz, Wonderboy, Volkan, idk. Conor is 2 fights removed from a sub loss to Nate Diaz. He barely won the second fight. A win over Eddie Alverez wouldn't raise his stock as much as the loss decreased it. The amount of hype he would of lost to a guy ranked that low lol... I never liked Jon Jones, but I feel like he's going through a lot of bullshit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Jon Jones DJ GSP Max Holloway Stipe Miocic Conor McGregor Tony Ferguson Khabib (after he beats Barboza) Robert Whitaker D.C. Tyron Woodley T.J. Dillashaw Gegard Mousasi Francis Ngannou wildcard; Cruz, Wonderboy, Volkan, idk. Conor is 2 fights removed from a sub loss to Nate Diaz. He barely won the second fight. A win over Eddie Alverez wouldn't raise his stock as much as the loss decreased it. The amount of hype he would of lost to a guy ranked that low lol... I never liked Jon Jones, but I feel like he's going through a lot of bullshit. Same reason Conor sits at 7 for me. While I feel he could beat many great fighters, he just hasn't done so yet - or not enough to rank any higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Same reason Conor sits at 7 for me. While I feel he could beat many great fighters, he just hasn't done so yet - or not enough to rank any higher. #7 P4P hype #1 P4P Popularity popped self confident, KO power, and intelligence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Jon Jones is a freak of nature steroids or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 #7 P4P hype #1 P4P Popularity popped self confident, KO power, and intelligence. Good chin too, shame about the heart though Jon Jones is a freak of nature steroids or not... Indeed, which is why hes #1 on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Why are people putting nganou up there? He’s great, but hes not p4p great. Arlovski wasn’t really hard to beat, his only real legit win was overeem. Not yet in the top imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Well, since you asked to fill it out:1. Demetrious Johnson2. Daniel Cormier3. Max Holloway4. TJ Dillashaw5. Robert Whittaker6. Conor Mcgregor7. Stipe Miocic 8. Tyron Woodley 9. Tony Fergusson 10. GSP11. Joanna Jedrzejczyk 12. Amanda Nunes13. Cody Garbrandt 14. Stephen Thompson 15. Jose Aldo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Why are people putting nganou up there? He’s great, but hes not p4p great. Arlovski wasn’t really hard to beat, his only real legit win was overeem. Not yet in the top imo. Overoid was like 6-1 or 7-1 with his only loss being to Stipe. He had to be one of those bottom 15 p4p guys with wins over Werdum, Arlovski, Hunt, JDS... I basically just swapped him and Ngannou and put guys coming off a loss below him (Cruz). D.C. is the only guy I ranked in the top 10 (or top 14) that's coming off a loss, and if I redid it I might even place Woodley over him, and after Ngannou loses to Stipe I probably wouldn't even consider him for a top 25 spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Overoid was like 6-1 or 7-1 with his only loss being to Stipe. He had to be a top 15 p4p guy with wins over Werdum, Arlovski, Hunt, JDS... I basically just swapped him and Ngannou and put guys coming off a loss below him (Cruz). D.C. is the only guy I ranked in the top 10 (or top 14) that's coming off a loss, and if I redid it I might even place Woodley over him. Ok so 1 legit win puts you in the top 15 of the world? Nah. Hes close but not yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Ok so 1 legit win puts you in the top 15 of the world? Nah. Hes close but not yet According to the UFC, 2 good wins gets you a #3 spot so its not that unbelievable that Ngannou could take 15th is it? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 According to the UFC, 2 good wins gets you a #3 spot so its not that unbelievable that Ngannou could take 15th is it? lol That's no fair mate. Poirier, Aldo, Nate, Chad, Alvarez. Those are all good wins. And Siver is a comparable win to 2017 Arlovski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Edit: double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 According to the UFC, 2 good wins gets you a #3 spot so its not that unbelievable that Ngannou could take 15th is it? lol yeah... It used to be about skill and achievements, now it's just about marketing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 It is interesting how nobody has Werdum on their list. I think this dude is possibly the most underrated fighter in history, even though he could be the best HW ever, or in the debate. Since 2009 he has fought 15 times and lost to just 2 fighters, Overeem and the current HW champ. He beat Nog, Fedor and Cain in that run, 3 fighters most people would put in their top 5 HW of all time, but he still cannot make the top 15 in an MMA chat forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonStolz Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 It is interesting how nobody has Werdum on their list. I think this dude is possibly the most underrated fighter in history, even though he could be the best HW ever, or in the debate. Since 2009 he has fought 15 times and lost to just 2 fighters, Overeem and the current HW champ. He beat Nog, Fedor and Cain in that run, 3 fighters most people would put in their top 5 HW of all time, but he still cannot make the top 15 in an MMA chat forum. He also went to a decision twice with Travis Browne I think Werdum could easily be in the top 15 P4P. The reason I have Nagannou over him is because even though Ngannou hasn't beaten a ton of elite fighters, the skill and technique he has shown has looked incredible and crisp, which when talking about P4P, that has to mean something, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 He also went to a decision twice with Travis Browne I think Werdum could easily be in the top 15 P4P. The reason I have Nagannou over him is because even though Ngannou hasn't beaten a ton of elite fighters, the skill and technique he has shown has looked incredible and crisp, which when talking about P4P, that has to mean something, right? Skill and technique? We see him for 60 seconds in which he throws 5 wild punches and that’s it. Oh and he defended a pathetic td attempt from overeem. Werdum is waaaay better rounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonStolz Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Skill and technique? We see him for 60 seconds in which he throws 5 wild punches and that’s it. Oh and he defended a pathetic td attempt from overeem. Werdum is waaaay better rounded. He did defend a lot of takedowns from Curtis Blaydes and in his fight against Luis Henrique he lit him up for 2 and a half rounds before knocking him out cold. I'm not saying Werdum doesn't deserve to be in the top 15 but look at Werdum vs Overeem. Werdum lost the first 2 rounds and couldn't finish Overeem when he was hurt. Ngannou took Overeem out in the first round. I feel like if we're talking about P4P that has to mean something when someone loses to someone and then another dude knocks that guy out cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Id like to see Werdum vs Ngannou, who to me remains largely untested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Id like to see Werdum vs Ngannou, who to me remains largely untested. I'd back Werdum who can weather the initial storm, drag Ngannou down and sub him. On the feet however Ngannou will prove too much for Miocic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I know planning and executing are two different things, but I think Miocic, along with skills has both the smarts and experience to figure out how to prolong the fight; I think the longer it goes, the higher his chances of winning. I'm pulling for Stipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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