Check this anti gun bullshit out.

[Wolf]

Even if they're clearly no threat to your or anyone else's health and well being? Jesus fucking Christ that's medieval.

 

That's not even medieval, thats like ... dark age or some shit

[PBR]

So maybe instead of pointing the gun at them, you could reach out to them. "I wouldn't do that if I were you... I was in your shoes once. When I thought I needed to turn to crime"

sort of like living in fairy land where this works --- lmao

 

 

 

actually still getting a kick out of this one -- wait sir please dont shoot or stab me, please i wouldn't do that if i were you.. i was in your shoes once. when i thought i needed to turn to crime -- they reply: oh really sir, i'm so sorry i'm not gonna rob you then cause i feel so sorry for you, matter of fact i'm giving up my life of crime cause if you can do it so can i, here sir here is my knife, gun please throw them away for me -------

[UniConor]

sort of like living in fairy land where this works --- lmao

Okay homie, you keep pointing your gun at intruders and I'll keep trying to reason with them. Maybe we're both wrong, but at the end of the day. I tried to help another human being, you just tried to kill one.

[skull]

Even if they're clearly no threat to your or anyone else's health and well being? Jesus fucking Christ that's medieval.

well people just dont go breaking in someones home jus to sit down and drink tea and chat so yeah...

[PBR]

Okay homie, you keep pointing your gun at intruders and I'll keep trying to reason with them. Maybe we're both wrong, but at the end of the day. I tried to help another human being, you just tried to kill one.

 

yea i can see you curling up in fetal position pls sir pls sir take whatever you want pls sir pls sir -- but some people are that way, ones that have never been a victim of any crime -- and there are millions and millions of people who have never been a victim of a crime or probably ever seen a major crime -- but i'm sure you ask most anyone that has been a victim afterwards they change their mind and choose to fight back next time

[PBR]

well people just dont go breaking in someones home jus to sit down and drink tea and chat so yeah...

its a mute point -- they are fine with crime as long as no one gets hurt -- take what ever hell rape my wife just dont hurt her -- i will stand here and watch, need help putting it in i can help -- like i say its a different train of thought period -- some countries and people are fine with crime no matter what and accept it -- other countries and people don't accept crime period and choose to try and not be a victim

[GBK16]

its a mute point -- they are fine with crime as long as no one gets hurt -- take what ever hell rape my wife just dont hurt her -- i will stand here and watch, need help putting it in i can help -- like i say its a different train of thought period -- some countries and people are fine with crime no matter what and accept it -- other countries and people don't accept crime period and choose to try and not be a victim

You are jumping to an extreme there. We aren't fine with crime here, but we don't see shooting people as the first response to crimes.

 

I don't agree with Conor's assessment of how you would deal with an intruder over here. If you try reasoning with people, odds are, they will just kick the crap out of you and rob you anyway.

[darksoul]

You seem a little obsessed with rape PBR. You've mentioned it a few times. I notice in the above you also wrote

 

take what ever hell rape my wife just dont hurt her

 

It seems you don't view rape as hurting a woman.

 

You also put in another post and I can't be arsed to look for it, something along to lines of because we aren't pro gun and certain crimes happen, again you mentioned rape, then we must like our women being raped.

 

By that logic that must mean if you're pro gun and crimes still happen, such as mass shootings, then you must like that happening.

[clydebankblitz]

To be fair I agree that if someone breaks into your house it's fair game. If I heard more than one person however, I'd be looking to stick a knife in someone's neck as opposed to potentially getting killed by two guys in my own home. (Not that splinter cell shit is easy to do but I wouldn't be announcing my intent, especially since they're in my kitchen and can help themselves to an assortment of potential weapons. Maybe if I had a family it'd be different. I might be like "Take what you want and leave" and hope to preserve our lives until a last cause but I'm not gonna just bitch up and let some dude break into my house and take my shit (I have the luxury of knowing he won't have a gun, something you Americans dont).

 

But as for someone "taking your car" like PBR said, taking someone's life over possessions when there is absolutely no threat to yourself is stupid. PBR is also like every gun owner; he thinks he's untouchable. "Dudes take my car, I shoot them". What if they've got guns? What if you miss one shot and two dudes start blasting back at you? What if your family is in the house and your kid gets caught by a stray bullet? Naaaaah totally wouldnt happen cause PBR has a gun so no one can touch him. This is the reason you've got cops out there abusing people. They think they're billy big dick just cause they've got a weapon in their hand. That's why Zimmerman used his gun, he felt he was the man cause he was strapped until some kid started putting him in his place.

[PBR]

You seem a little obsessed with rape PBR. You've mentioned it a few times. I notice in the above you also wrote

 

take what ever hell rape my wife just dont hurt her

 

It seems you don't view rape as hurting a woman.

 

You also put in another post and I can't be arsed to look for it, something along to lines of because we aren't pro gun and certain crimes happen, again you mentioned rape, then we must like our women being raped.

 

By that logic that must mean if you're pro gun and crimes still happen, such as mass shootings, then you must like that happening.

actually think you have me and kris carter confused -- probably second maybe third time i have mentioned rape in this thread -- pretty sure it was him that mentioned ya'll liking your women raped -- cause some of you said that if the women had a gun it would of most likely been used against her, cause he was mentioning women having guns to prevent rapes

[PBR]

To be fair I agree that if someone breaks into your house it's fair game. If I heard more than one person however, I'd be looking to stick a knife in someone's neck as opposed to potentially getting killed by two guys in my own home. (Not that splinter cell shit is easy to do but I wouldn't be announcing my intent, especially since they're in my kitchen and can help themselves to an assortment of potential weapons. Maybe if I had a family it'd be different. I might be like "Take what you want and leave" and hope to preserve our lives until a last cause but I'm not gonna just bitch up and let some dude break into my house and take my shit (I have the luxury of knowing he won't have a gun, something you Americans dont).

 

But as for someone "taking your car" like PBR said, taking someone's life over possessions when there is absolutely no threat to yourself is stupid. PBR is also like every gun owner; he thinks he's untouchable. "Dudes take my car, I shoot them". What if they've got guns? What if you miss one shot and two dudes start blasting back at you? What if your family is in the house and your kid gets caught by a stray bullet? Naaaaah totally wouldnt happen cause PBR has a gun so no one can touch him. This is the reason you've got cops out there abusing people. They think they're billy big dick just cause they've got a weapon in their hand. That's why Zimmerman used his gun, he felt he was the man cause he was strapped until some kid started putting him in his place.

lmao -- actually quite the opposite i feel or think but guess you know it all so i must be wrong

[darksoul]

actually think you have me and kris carter confused -- probably second maybe third time i have mentioned rape in this thread -- pretty sure it was him that mentioned ya'll liking your women raped -- cause some of you said that if the women had a gun it would of most likely been used against her, cause he was mentioning women having guns to prevent rapes

Probably. But I'll be damned if I'm looking back through this thread lol. But you can't blame me for that little bit of fantasy writing you wrote yesterday - very similar mindset.

[Guest]

its a mute point -- they are fine with crime as long as no one gets hurt -- take what ever hell rape my wife just dont hurt her -- i will stand here and watch, need help putting it in i can help -- like i say its a different train of thought period -- some countries and people are fine with crime no matter what and accept it -- other countries and people don't accept crime period and choose to try and not be a victimY

You're implicitly saying that 'we' don't consider rape to be 'hurting the wife' right here...

 

I never said I was fine with crime. I think having a strong legal system is imperative for any society. That's the lynchpin of my entire argument here though - we need a legal system, not a bunch of armed moron vigilantes who think they're Batman.

 

Shooting a thief is morally (and legally) wrong in my eyes because you're responding to a crime by commiting an even worse one.

 

 

 

well people just dont go breaking in someones home jus to sit down and drink tea and chat so yeah...

 

No, but people sometimes break into your house to steal your silverware without any intent to hurt you. That warrants arrest and a fair trial, not you murdering them in cold blood.

[bjornmma1]

There are some really dumb opinions on here in this thread. It amazes and saddens me at the same time.

 

There is a big difference between America and Europe , but lets not take those difference in mind and just use a logical way of thinking.

 

If someone steals your car that is outside your house , let them do and report it to the police afterwards, so that you don't bring yourself or your family in danger because of a vehicle ( that most like is assured against theft).

If someone enters your house and steals something, stay out of their way if you can and let them do , once again to avoid bringing yourself or your family in danger.

If someone comes after you or one of your family members and it's a dead or alive situation, shoot, stab, gauge his eyes out. Do whatever it takes, but that's the only situation where it makes sense if you ask me. I think a few guys out here are trying to act a bit to tough and it's stupid. Also, if you haven't shot at anyone before, if it's just a car or a television that they are stealing, you might be all tough now, but 95% won't shoot when it happens. Shooting at someone ( when your life or the lifes of family/friends isn't in danger) isn't as easy as some of you seem to think.

 

Use some common sense. Acting tough might look cool but it isn't. If I am considered a bitch for not shooting at a guy that tries to steal my car, I'll happily be a bitch. Worst case I lose my car, but not my life or that of my family.

[PBR]

I never said I was fine with crime. I think having a strong legal system is imperative for any society.

 

do you think a strong legal system is someone serving 21 yrs for killing 77 people? -- just wondering cause to me that seems to be a pretty weak legal system -- but again that is just my thoughts

[kenlow73]

We have the right to bear arms, it's written in our constitution. And don't try to pull that Militia bullshit. The amendment has been ratified twice recently to include "and home defense". So, if somebody comes on our property and threatens our family, we have the right according to our government to shoot them.

[Guest]

We have the right to bear arms, it's written in our constitution. And don't try to pull that Militia bullshit. The amendment has been ratified twice recently to include "and home defense". So, if somebody comes on our property and threatens our family, we have the right according to our government to shoot them.

Until 1851, "Jews and Jesuits" were constitutionally banned from entering Norway. Jesuits weren't allowed free entry until 1956. Just because something is written in a constitution doesn't mean it isn't stupid, immoral, and shouldn't be changed.

 

 

do you think a strong legal system is someone serving 21 yrs for killing 77 people? -- just wondering cause to me that seems to be a pretty weak legal system -- but again that is just my thoughts

Seeing as this is an obvious barb at the Utøya massacre, I'm happy to inform you that the Norwegian legal system has a "containment" rule where a prison sentence can be extended by 10 years indefinitely as long as the criminal isn't considered to be fully rehabilitated and thus no longer a threat to society. Make no mistake, Breivik got a life sentence which can be altered if he miraculously gets rehabilitated. So yes, I'd say that's a pretty great way of handling it.

 

Breivik for his part has spent his 4 years in an isolation cell whining about not having a playstation 3 in his room and crying about Norwegian papers referring to him as "the mass murderer" because it's branding and stigmatizing in his eyes.

[PBR]

If someone enters your house and steals something, stay out of their way if you can and let them do , once again to avoid bringing yourself or your family in danger.

If someone comes after you or one of your family members and it's a dead or alive situation, shoot, stab, gauge his eyes out. Do whatever it takes, but that's the only situation where it makes sense if you ask me. I think a few guys out here are trying to act a bit to tough and it's stupid. Also, if you haven't shot at anyone before, if it's just a car or a television that they are stealing, you might be all tough now, but 95% won't shoot when it happens. Shooting at someone ( when your life or the lifes of family/friends isn't in danger) isn't as easy as some of you seem to think.

 

well having only lived in america i can't say how crimes turn out in other countries but in america NO ONE just breaks into a house and steals the stuff and not do something to who ever is there, if someone is there -- for one because they don't want the cops called on them once they leave, first thing they do is attack whoever is in the house, if someone is -- like i say criminals might not do or act like that in other countries but they do here -- you will not hear of a crime where the homeowner or whoever was there wasn't attacked, beat up badly or killed -- unless the home owner acts first and fights back first then most of the time the criminals run away to never return -- a similar story to something kenlow posted back about a store owner in his neighborhood -- a store owner here in houston was robbed 3 times in one week with each time it started with them beating the living shit out of the clerk, two of the times it was a female clerk, then stealing all the money and cigs along with other items (this store was also robbed at least once a month or more -- also was the same 3 guys every time cause he had it on tape every time they kept coming back -- come the fourth time the owner was working the store and had his gun for protection, needless to say of course he opened fire taking down two of them and one ran off -- has been a year or two back and since then the store has not been robbed once cause the criminals around there knows he will fight back now -- i know most of you could care less and say he still shouldnt of shot them -- guess he should of just let them continue robbing him every couple of days or till the cops happened to trip over them and arrest them

[kenlow73]

Until 1851, "Jews and Jesuits" were constitutionally banned from entering Norway. Jesuits weren't allowed free entry until 1956. Just because something is written in a constitution doesn't mean it isn't stupid, immoral, and shouldn't be changed.

 

Seeing as this is an obvious barb at the Utøya massacre, I'm happy to inform you that the Norwegian legal system has a "containment" rule where a prison sentence can be extended by 10 years indefinitely as long as the criminal isn't considered to be fully rehabilitated and thus no longer a threat to society. Make no mistake, Breivik got a life sentence which can be altered if he miraculously gets rehabilitated. So yes, I'd say that's a pretty great way of handling it.

 

Breivik for his part has spent his 4 years in an isolation cell whining about not having a playstation 3 in his room and crying about Norwegian papers referring to him as "the mass murderer" because it's branding and stigmatizing in his eyes.

Try saying that about the constitution here, you'll be taken out and shown the 2nd Amendment first hand.

[Guest]

Try saying that about the constitution here, you'll be taken out and shown the 2nd Amendment first hand.

That'd be a breach of the first amendment though.

[PBR]

Seeing as this is an obvious barb at the Utøya massacre, I'm happy to inform you that the Norwegian legal system has a "containment" rule where a prison sentence can be extended by 10 years indefinitely as long as the criminal isn't considered to be fully rehabilitated and thus no longer a threat to society. Make no mistake, Breivik got a life sentence which can be altered if he miraculously gets rehabilitated. So yes, I'd say that's a pretty great way of handling it.

Breivik for his part has spent his 4 years in an isolation cell whining about not having a playstation 3 in his room and crying about Norwegian papers referring to him as "the mass murderer" because it's branding and stigmatizing in his eyes.

 

well its good to hear he will probably never get out -- although if he was to play along with the program he would be out in 21 yrs thus free to do it all over again -- he is sure lucky he is in prison there, hell by hearing on how some of the prisons in other countries are run i wouldn't mind being in one sometimes -- i heard about him crying wanting a playstation 3 cause he is tired of his playstation 2 and wanting more games -- prison systems here would laugh their ass off at someone wanting any kind of gaming system or anything close to that -- hell your king shit if you got a little 5 inch black n white tv to even watch here -- hell most here in america would commit more crimes just to go to prison if they got goodies like that -- thus one reason why they try to kill you here so cops never get called -- again i can only tell you how it is here, just like most of you can only say how it is where you live or have lived -- and it seems to be totally different types of criminals or criminal mentality

[kenlow73]

That'd be a breach of the first amendment though.

Rednecks aren't smart enough to know that.

[PBR]

That'd be a breach of the first amendment though.

sadly that amendment is under fire just as the 2nd -- there really is no free speech anymore -- lots here want to do away with the constitution completely -- and 99% of those wanting to do that are immigrants from other countries -- honestly america is killing itself and has been since late 70's -- since the early to mid 80's with so much illegal immigration and america importing so many products, supporting other countries instead of buying america made products supporting itself -- all of this has turned america into a 3rd world country pretty much -- many will say it was the consumer's that did this but actually no it wasnt, it was pretty much forced cause of government

[Guest]

 

well its good to hear he will probably never get out -- although if he was to play along with the program he would be out in 21 yrs thus free to do it all over again -- he is sure lucky he is in prison there, hell by hearing on how some of the prisons in other countries are run i wouldn't mind being in one sometimes -- i heard about him crying wanting a playstation 3 cause he is tired of his playstation 2 and wanting more games -- prison systems here would laugh their ass off at someone wanting any kind of gaming system or anything close to that -- hell your king shit if you got a little 5 inch black n white tv to even watch here -- hell most here in america would commit more crimes just to go to prison if they got goodies like that -- thus one reason why they try to kill you here so cops never get called -- again i can only tell you how it is here, just like most of you can only say how it is where you live or have lived -- and it seems to be totally different types of criminals or criminal mentality

 

That's not really how psychiatry works, though. We have ways of finding out if he's just lying. Not to mention, Breivik is so convinced he's right he'd never do that, prideful little shit that he is.

 

Our penal systems are vastly different yeah. Most of it boils down to intent really. Our stated purpose of incarceration isn't to punish, but to rehabilitate. It seems to work just fine considering how few repeat offenders we have compared to many other countries. Most prisoners describe being robbed of their freedom as the harsh part anyways. Even if they're still criminals they're also human beings, which is why I think it's great that we treat them like it instead of throwing them in a hole and letting them stay there for years. Heck, even the biggest bank robber in Norwegian history has almost finished his sentence and completed a master's degree in chemistry while incarcerated. I think it's great that he's been given a chance to better himself and be less of a blight on society in the future.

 

Rednecks aren't smart enough to know that.

 

I hear that. Following the Utøya massacre our political right wanted to suspend our legislation and try Breivik as a war criminal before executing him, showing a complete lack of understanding of our legal system in the first place.

 

sadly that amendment is under fire just as the 2nd -- there really is no free speech anymore -- lots here want to do away with the constitution completely

I'm sad to hear that. I think laws are very important. The libertarian BS has gone way too far across the pond. Even here I'm running into more and more idiots who want to abolish all laws/the state/both alltogether because they think the invisible hand of the free market is the only law we need to maintain peace.

[Guest]

 

our population is way more than that number -- that number only includes legal citizens, there are millions upon millions of illegal citizens that arent included in that number -- i dont know the number nor does anyone know that true number but i bet its easily 30 million or more nationwide

 

And any person with an Euro passport is able to live and work in England and Wales.

 

 

those are pretty huge differences -- with only 18% difference between knife and gun killings -- also wait how the hell do they have 11.5% killings by firearms? -- holy cow they are outlawed, banned, how can someone be killed by something that is illegal, no way -- how did they get a gun many done said its impossible -- so as long as you swap gun killings for being killed with a knife its better i guess -- also you mention norway, didn't one of the biggest mass shootings happen there, something like 77 people killed? -- wow gun control really worked there, too bad someone couldn't stop him with their gun, oh wait what am i saying

 

Not sure if you're as thick as this comes across, but, if there was ONE murder in the UK and it was by a gun... that would be a 100% homicide rate by firearm.

 

However, as the objective numbers clearly state - aside from your poor attempts to cherry pick and manipulate them out of context - irrespective of the % of deaths by any particular method, the USA had a murder rate 5 times higher than UK and Wales. How many school stabbing massacres have you heard of?

 

On that topic, perhaps you can run me through all of the US massacres that have been stopped by the armed population? How about those stopped by firearm wielding police?

 

UK had a firearm massacre in 2010, 12 dead and 11 injured. Prior to that, their most recent was 1996 - actually in Scotland which isn't part of the numbers I've been using.

 

US has so many fucking massacres they don't even list them in one table any more. There is a separate one just for school shootings. I am going to go with 6+ people shot as my number for a 'massacre', perhaps 'rampage killer' is better? Excuse the semantics:

 

US had 15 in the same time period as the UK that I can find... and the real kicker? Almost all of them suicided. None of this fucking armed vigilante justice bullshit "saved by the gun wielding hero".