PugLayf Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Is there anyone who is an amateur boxer / trainer / coach or if ever someone who made it professionally? I just want to know what is the best core workouts for me to punch harder. I am still a student and gym fees would kill me. I just train at home with pushups, planks, sit ups and punch techniques. I do not intend to fight anyone intentionally its just for self defence and just for the sake of workingout. Also note that i am just a beginner and not a jock so I cannot do monster reps. I hope someone could help me out. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If you can get a hold of a medicine ball you can do all kinds of cool core stuff with those. In general though, learning to punch properly under proper supervision is what's gonna make you punch hard. Boxing gyms are generally very cheap in the Western world, but I don't know what it's like in the Phillipines. What are the prices like in your local boxing gym(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornmma1 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Trying to punch harder isn't what you should focus on if you are a beginner. Make sure you get good foot movement, strike clean and don't go off balance because you throw punches. Work on your footwork first, then mix in punch ( and throw them slow and correct before going faster) and then you can think about how to punch harder. Get the basics right first or you'll never be any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 The mechanics of a strong punch is all about technique. Obviously strength helps but it's mostly the mechanics of transferring torque through the body to the fist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Trying to punch harder isn't what you should focus on if you are a beginner. Make sure you get good foot movement, strike clean and don't go off balance because you throw punches. Work on your footwork first, then mix in punch ( and throw them slow and correct before going faster) and then you can think about how to punch harder. Get the basics right first or you'll never be any good. This isn't gonna happen without a coach though. The best he can do if he isn't able to train with an experienced coach is to improve physically and not learn himself a bunch of bad habits he'll have to unlearn later if he starts training properly. Showing up with deeply ingrained bad habits is way worse than showing up as a blank canvas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugLayf Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If you can get a hold of a medicine ball you can do all kinds of cool core stuff with those. In general though, learning to punch properly under proper supervision is what's gonna make you punch hard. Boxing gyms are generally very cheap in the Western world, but I don't know what it's like in the Phillipines. What are the prices like in your local boxing gym(s)? Maybe about 10-20$ each month but i doubt my parents would invest on it and its equipments and I cant afford it myself Trying to punch harder isn't what you should focus on if you are a beginner. Make sure you get good foot movement, strike clean and don't go off balance because you throw punches. Work on your footwork first, then mix in punch ( and throw them slow and correct before going faster) and then you can think about how to punch harder. Get the basics right first or you'll never be any good. The mechanics of a strong punch is all about technique. Obviously strength helps but it's mostly the mechanics of transferring torque through the body to the fist. As of right now I am still trying my way out on working my cores because I do not want to train bad habbits in my punches but advises wis deffinitely appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yeah I get that. Is it possible for you to get a part time job that pays anywhere near that? Do you even have the time to work as a full time student? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Good recognition of the bad habits you get. I'd hit the punch bag before I trained at all but I always kept in mind that this wasn't me "punching", more just me "moving and exercising". Me and my mate have been doing a "traditional" enough self defence martial art for about 3 years now. It's got a little bit of Wing Chun elements with some slight kickboxing too, but it's non contact and everything. We were discussing the martial artist we think we could beat if they had been training the same amount of time as us (or perhaps if we chose a different martial art instead). We kind of felt that things like 3 years of jiu jitsu isn't going to be enough to beat 3 years of punching and kicking and everything, but when it came to boxing I said we'd get wrecked. My mate strongly disagreed, so I explained "We aren't gonna be comfortable in a fight". He disagreed again, not understanding that the fluidity and footwork which comes with live sparring is what being comfortable is, not how well you can punch or take a punch. I then went on to say that essentially we don't even know how to punch properly. He did the typical guy thing of thinking "I can punch properly" but unless you actually learn how to punch from a proper boxing coach, you're not going to be landing perfectly. Hell even in MMA these guys train for years and still punch incorrectly quite a lot of the time. If you can ONLY train at home, forget about power. I'd probably work on your cardio and core. Fire our your 30 sit ups and push ups. Maybe do sit ups every day and stagger the days with push ups. Then you can do things like skipping or going jogging. Maybe shadow box for 10 minutes or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugLayf Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yeah I get that. Is it possible for you to get a part time job that pays anywhere near that? Do you even have the time to work as a full time student? No I do not have the time sometimes I end up staying 9hours at school to finish my subjects and I have choir practices every now andthen at night but ofcourse I would like to stregnhten my body coz it my really be handy Good recognition of the bad habits you get. I'd hit the punch bag before I trained at all but I always kept in mind that this wasn't me "punching", more just me "moving and exercising". Me and my mate have been doing a "traditional" enough self defence martial art for about 3 years now. It's got a little bit of Wing Chun elements with some slight kickboxing too, but it's non contact and everything. We were discussing the martial artist we think we could beat if they had been training the same amount of time as us (or perhaps if we chose a different martial art instead). We kind of felt that things like 3 years of jiu jitsu isn't going to be enough to beat 3 years of punching and kicking and everything, but when it came to boxing I said we'd get wrecked. My mate strongly disagreed, so I explained "We aren't gonna be comfortable in a fight". He disagreed again, not understanding that the fluidity and footwork which comes with live sparring is what being comfortable is, not how well you can punch or take a punch. I then went on to say that essentially we don't even know how to punch properly. He did the typical guy thing of thinking "I can punch properly" but unless you actually learn how to punch from a proper boxing coach, you're not going to be landing perfectly. Hell even in MMA these guys train for years and still punch incorrectly quite a lot of the time. If you can ONLY train at home, forget about power. I'd probably work on your cardio and core. Fire our your 30 sit ups and push ups. Maybe do sit ups every day and stagger the days with push ups. Then you can do things like skipping or going jogging. Maybe shadow box for 10 minutes or so. I am shadow boxing for about 30mins everyday to get used to punching. I am still working on push ups but I can prob do 30sit ups. Thanks a lot mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious answer! What you need to do is find a pal who works at big refrigerated meat packing plant and get to work on those beef carcesses. You'll be champ in no time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 http://youtu.be/Gx7stnlK_w4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just don't overdo push ups. I've heard a few people had a lot of wear and tear from over doing them. From what I've been told, firing out 30 at staggered days is more than enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Dedicated,Discipline then Technique is the most important thing. The speed and the power will come from that . you can learn proper punching technique with out going to the gym 100% you can that's a fact not my opinion but you can not learn to box without actually boxing if that make any since to you? With a lot of Discipline and dedicated you can learn Punching TECHNIQUE and punching STRATEGY you can set up a video cam recored your self shadowboxing or hitting the heavy bag then watch it back look for the mistake you make and work on fixing them study videos watch how they punch compare the way you hit the bag with your video to the way they do with a lot of dedicated you can fix a lot of errors and improve your punching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugLayf Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Dedicated,Discipline then Technique is the most important thing. The speed and the power will come from that . you can learn proper punching technique with out going to the gym 100% you can that's a fact not my opinion but you can not learn to box without actually boxing if that make any since to you? With a lot of Discipline and dedicated you can learn Punching TECHNIQUE and punching STRATEGY you can set up a video cam recored your self shadowboxing or hitting the heavy bag then watch it back look for the mistake you make and work on fixing them study videos watch how they punch compare the way you hit the bag with your video to the way they do with a lot of dedicated you can fix a lot of errors and improve your punching. Thanks man! I do not intend to be a boxer and a simple jab cross is all I want to master for self defense. Just don't overdo push ups. I've heard a few people had a lot of wear and tear from over doing them. From what I've been told, firing out 30 at staggered days is more than enough. As of right now I am following a program intended for beginners on pushups so I can avoid being overworked. I am also looking for the best core workouts but I just don't know what exercise should I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Went 1-0-2 as a jr amateur back a few years ago. Obviously the Heavy bag if you have one is great for technique and power, chin down hands up ALWAYS. Technique first then power and speed will come along with it. Medicine balls, pull ups, bench press, simple push ups and curls with barbells are really useful to get some muscle into your punching. Concentrate on defence more if you're looking just to defend yourself, practice counter shots, stepping side to side with perfect technique hands up chin down, feet spread apart, feet moving, head movement and use the space around you, and you will confuse 90% of idiots trying to start trouble and feel tough.. Just act crazy and usually people will think twice before messing with you 99% of people I know, don't act tough if the are actually tough!!!! They don't need to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious answer! What you need to do is find a pal who works at big refrigerated meat packing plant and get to work on those beef carcesses. You'll be champ in no time. +1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 How do you expect him to practice anything perfectly if he doesn't have either outside guidance or a lot of personal experience practicing perfectly? Most autodidacts in any field suck for a reason. And your advice to act 'crazy' is terrible. That's a great way to escalate situations and get beat up or stabbed. Just act normal, try to defuse every potential situation and have the precense of mind to avoid seedy shitholes in the first place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornmma1 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I agree, staying calm is always better than go all crazy. If someone is yelling and trying to start a fight and you just stand there and almost not react at all, they will know that you must be pretty confident in your chances. Chances that they will swing at you are a lot smaller in that case. About pushups, I love doing them. I'm pretty good at it and I think it's great as they really make you more explosive and powerful. Just be creative with them and try new ways to do them often, like with hands more or less to the outside, with one hand, only using one leg , .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 How do you expect him to practice anything perfectly if he doesn't have either outside guidance or a lot of personal experience practicing perfectly? Most autodidacts in any field suck for a reason. And your advice to act 'crazy' is terrible. That's a great way to escalate situations and get beat up or stabbed. Just act normal, try to defuse every potential situation and have the precense of mind to avoid seedy shitholes in the first place. You don't have to yell or scream to make your point, trust me. I'm calm cool,collected, and haven't been in a fight or altercation in over 8 years. You warm them, if someone fucks with you and yes they will think.. I'm not trying to fight, I'm defending myself.. No one has any reason to disrespect me, but you can still put the bug in people's ear that your not a guy to fuck with.. You never have to escalate a situation, but if you feel you're in a corner or have to stand your ground, then just acting like a bitch and saying "sorry man sorry"isn't gonna help you much.. Never start shit, but if you get started on, either stick your tail between your legs and walk away and live with yourself or stand up for yourself and stand your ground.. I'm 5'7, much bigger guys have gotten lippy or rude or hit a woman and after I told them I'd gouge their eyes out and stomp on their nuts still they can't ever have intercourse again, or that I'd kill them, and guess what, they thought real hard about that for a split second before they stepped up...and I had no issues after that. Now some people, they don't give a fuck and then you're in for a real fight, but if you're not ready to fight then don't let your pride make you open your mouth. Never start shit, be humble, be respectful to all. But don't let anyone fuck you over or try to bully you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Telling people you'll gouge their eyes out sounds like a great way to get stabbed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornmma1 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 If someone wants to try to start a fight, do this : http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/200133_o.gif and see him do this http://static.tumblr.com/4b4dc5ecfd37c6472bc72ed1d94624bc/wevryzp/V50mtkcas/tumblr_static_jack-sparrow-run.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniConor Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 This is what I say to avoid fights too StBJPennBrazil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I live near Brockton (Rocky Marciano, Marvin Hagler, Robbie Sims etc) so there are a lot of good boxing gyms in the area Fee's usually aren't too much (unless you are training to be a big time professional, but then you'd be making money doing it obviously). Theres one gym near me thats actually just like 5 bucks a week and its open 4 days. The upkeep at a gym isn't much. Buy some heavy bags, speed bags, ring materials, and pay trainers and utilities. They usually are not expensive from the ones I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Telling people you'll gouge their eyes out sounds like a great way to get stabbed. Only if you let them.. If they have a knife I pick up big rock, good luck to both of us I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 you do realize that people don't pull their knife on you from 5 yards away and slowly lunge at you like in a strip mall karate class, right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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