KawasakiRamenBlitz Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Hi all, I've seen young fighters around with very high primaries. Is there a trick to popping them quickly? I know training the corresponding secondaries is also boosting the primary itself and then there's sparring. Anything else I am missing though? My physicals and secondaries are popping well, but primaries seem to come along slowly, despite frequent sparring. I appreciate any tips.Cheers, K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Sparring is the quickest way, but it depends on your sparring partner skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawasakiRamenBlitz Posted May 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Sparring is the quickest way, but it depends on your sparring partner skills. I've been told that you need as many people sparring at the same time as possible. Would it in fact be more effective to spar with fewer people who have higher sparring value though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Doesn't matter the number of people. It only thing that matters is skill level. If you're a white belt sparring a bunch of blue belts your skills will grow very slowly if at all. If you train with a black or red belt 1 on 1 your skills will improve very quickly. I like to mix in both secondary.and.primary training to make my skills pop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poraan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 It really depents how you set those starting points.. If you make fighter with 1 wrestling and 110 points at takedowns and takedown def, you need to spar a lot wrestling to get high wrestling. At beginning i dont spar my fighters at all. My Pulkkinen is 20 years old and hes 70/70/125/95 without any sparring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Can anyone confirm the optimum sparring numbers? Optimum optimum. I believe it is one guy sparring with two elite level partners. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyGrunge Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 If you really want a certain primary to pop quicker, try sparring like 3 sessions of that skill in the same week. Throw in some related secondary training and you should pop faster. Learning speed could be the issue though, as my fastest learners seem to pop way more often then even my middle of the road guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDisney Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Doesn't matter the number of people. It only thing that matters is skill level. If you're a white belt sparring a bunch of blue belts your skills will grow very slowly if at all. If you train with a black or red belt 1 on 1 your skills will improve very quickly. I like to mix in both secondary.and.primary training to make my skills pop. This is an ill-informed post. A white belt sparring with a bunch of blues will in fact learn as fast as his learning hidden will allow (relative to how high the blue belts are, of course). The number of people in a sparring session does matter, and there is a penalty for sparring one on one now. Be careful what you pass on as "help" in the noob forums please. Edit: Some helpful info regarding sparring can be found here: http://www.mmatycoon.info/index.php?title=Training_Changes_2011 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawasakiRamenBlitz Posted May 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Awesome, thanks for the help guys! Very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 the skill level can be found out by the 'star signs' near the sparring fighters when checked the sparring list, right guys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 the skill level can be found out by the 'star signs' near the sparring fighters when checked the sparring list, right guys ? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 thanks .... them having 4-5 stars means they are good sparring partners ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 thanks .... them having 4-5 stars means they are good sparring partners ? 5 is the best, so yeah, you have great sparring dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 5 is the best, so yeah, you have great sparring dudes. thanks bro ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Previously the perfect sparring partner was always someone with 150 in the skill you were training. So if you were sparring boxing, you always wanted to be training with someone of as high a skill as possible in boxing primary. That is no longer necessary. In order to train at the maximum level possible you only need to train with someone 20% better than your current skill level. Anything above this will have no additional benefit. Note, this means your own primary e.g. boxing, compared to your sparring partners’ boxing sparring value. So if you have 20 in boxing primary, you need to train with someone of 24 or better boxing sparring value, to get maximum gains. Does anybody know if the bolded text here is also true for coaches and secondaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Previously the perfect sparring partner was always someone with 150 in the skill you were training. So if you were sparring boxing, you always wanted to be training with someone of as high a skill as possible in boxing primary. That is no longer necessary. In order to train at the maximum level possible you only need to train with someone 20% better than your current skill level. Anything above this will have no additional benefit. Note, this means your own primary e.g. boxing, compared to your sparring partners’ boxing sparring value. So if you have 20 in boxing primary, you need to train with someone of 24 or better boxing sparring value, to get maximum gains. The wiki mentions this only for sparring , for secondaries there is another table where it shows the skill level needed to get maximun training. http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43329&do=findComment&comment=550740 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBK16 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Previously the perfect sparring partner was always someone with 150 in the skill you were training. So if you were sparring boxing, you always wanted to be training with someone of as high a skill as possible in boxing primary. That is no longer necessary. In order to train at the maximum level possible you only need to train with someone 20% better than your current skill level. Anything above this will have no additional benefit. Note, this means your own primary e.g. boxing, compared to your sparring partners’ boxing sparring value. So if you have 20 in boxing primary, you need to train with someone of 24 or better boxing sparring value, to get maximum gains. Does anybody know if the bolded text here is also true for coaches and secondaries? A lot of people have said that it is the same for coaches as well. i wouldn't be 100% certain on it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDisney Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Does anybody know if the bolded text here is also true for coaches and secondaries? This chart is from the wiki and should clear things up for you. Edit: Sorry, didn't notice Dude already posted. I hate when others do this so I feel especially stupid for doing it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 The wiki mentions this only for sparring , for secondaries there is another table where it shows the skill level needed to get maximun training. http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43329&do=findComment&comment=550740 Oh right, I saw that the other day and totally forgot about it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 instead of opening a new topic I will ask here. Say if I wanted to get my wrestling higher, would I need to spar it more than once a week. Also, if I had a rating of 1 wrestling, is it possible to have secondaries at 12 for takedown defence and offence? and still be effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Yea I had a fighter who had things setup that way, but it makes it take longer to level your wrestling, (But sparring it will still raise your wrestling secondaries by whatever %) It can be useful for having hidden strengths to throw your opponent off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 One thing I'm still not sure about: If you spar with multiple partners they get split up into groups of 5 with top guys sparring together, lower guys sparring together. Makes sense if there are a multiple of 5 of you, but if there are 7 of you for example do the top 5 spar together and the lower 2 spar together or do all 7 still spar together. Does anyone know how it gets broken down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 From the wiki: Split Sparring GroupsWhen sparring in groups of 10 or more, the session will be automatically split up so that people spar with fighters closest to their own skill level (based on the new “sparring value”).1-9 fighters = 1 group. 10-14 fighters = 2 groups. Top group of 5 fighters and the rest in group 2. 15+ fighters = 3 groups. First two groups of 5 fighters and the rest in group 3.Example sparring session involving 12 fighters, with the following skills in boxing (using the new sparring value). 25, 27, 31, 36, 40, 50, 55, 60, 90, 110, 133, 142. Previously, everyone would have sparred with everyone and received an average sparring partner based on the other 11 fighters. Now those 12 fighters would be split up into two groups as follows. 25, 27, 31, 36, 40, 50, 55 train together. (7 fighters in the lower skilled group). 60, 90, 110, 133, 142 train together. (5 fighters in the top skilled group). The average sparring partner for each fighter is now calculated based only on the other fighters in his group.What this means: If you want to have total control over who you spar with, you can still organise your own smaller groups, which will remain unaffected by this change. However this change should prove extremely beneficial to good fighters in larger gyms. If gyms have a big group session, top fighters will be guaranteed the best training possible in that gym.Meanwhile, due to the “ideal training partner” changes mentioned previously, lower level fighters no longer need to train with the very top guys in the gym to see the best gains and training with people worse than you has been sped up, so they can be perfectly happy training in the lower skilled groups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 From the wiki: Thank you for pointing this out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duratan Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 the skill level can be found out by the 'star signs' near the sparring fighters when checked the sparring list, right guys ? is their a sparing list that show star signs on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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