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#1 Skenoj

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Posted 26 July 2020 - 09:59 PM

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i think it was 10/10 stoppage


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Posted 26 July 2020 - 10:16 PM

Then they bitch it was too soon ----- refs really can't win either way


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 12:17 AM

Renan Barao vs. Urijah Faber – UFC 169
Chas Skelly vs. Maximo Blanco – UFC Fight Night 94
Uriah Hall vs. Dont Remember the Fuck Face - UFC Fight Night 94
Dustin Poirier vs. Eddie Alvarez – UFC 211
Jim Miller vs. Guida - UFC on ESPN 5

I DO see your point tho, PBR...


People say he wasnt completly out, still defending, still knee-shielding... Thus, good stoppage.

Well, lets remember Anthony Smith never stopped "smart defending" himself. Doesnt make Herzog reffing atroucious. IMHO this defending was worse than Smith's. Trinaldo stood up there looking at the ref, guy could have tried to transition to a better guard (lace the leg and go for half guard, SLX, [reverse] De la Riva, knee ride, whatever), instead he keeps there with his guard passed, just extending his arm... He was still dazed, so thats all he could do   In all honesty, I'd rather see people bitch about "Herb Dean causing a fighter to lose bonus of the night" than "Herb Dean caused brain damage".
 


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 12:17 AM

I like Dan Hardy but thought he overreacted. Being a ref in a thankless job. I think he did alright. Maybe a little late but not the end of the world. Shit happens. We have seen way worse with less controversy about it. (weidman vs Munoz was a bad one back in the day and I dont remember anyone even botherd about it) 

 

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 12:19 AM

99% of the time I'm more bothered by an early stoppage than a late stoppage.
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Posted 27 July 2020 - 12:19 AM

Exactly, wasnt THAT bad. I think maybe late, so I can understand the fuzz, but yeah there was worse...

And the more heat they put on the Ref, the worse the reffing will be... Dana does a really shit job putting more oil on the fire instead of help shielding the refs


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 12:23 AM

99% of the time I'm more bothered by an early stoppage than a late stoppage.

 



Wold you go back to this heel hook by Palhares? I fucking wouldnt lol

Thats how I see (most) of early stoppages.


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#8 Gator001

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 02:26 AM

I dilsike early stoppages more than late ones. The refs are f....d if they do and f....d if they dont


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 02:58 AM

Fighters should just fill out a "Protect me, or let me fucking fight" card in advance.


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 03:36 AM

I like Dan Hardy but thought he overreacted. Being a ref in a thankless job. I think he did alright. Maybe a little late but not the end of the world. Shit happens. We have seen way worse with less controversy about it. (weidman vs Munoz was a bad one back in the day and I dont remember anyone even botherd about it) 

 

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Hardy is very close to Jai Herbert I think. His commentary during that fight was probably the most biased I have ever heard, it was a disgrace. His reaction with Herb was overstepping his place by a long way. AFter what I saw (and hardy's commentary in previous euro v US fights)  Hardy should be booted


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 06:18 AM

If anything Herb is one of those that stops it too early.


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Posted 28 July 2020 - 01:25 PM

Hardy is very close to Jai Herbert I think. His commentary during that fight was probably the most biased I have ever heard, it was a disgrace. His reaction with Herb was overstepping his place by a long way. AFter what I saw (and hardy's commentary in previous euro v US fights)  Hardy should be booted

Have you ever heard mr. Francisco Santos Mir III commentate the fights of his favorite fighter, Miguel Torres?

I thought it was a garbage stoppage and thought that Hardy reacted in a very understandable and human way. Herb Dean is insanely overrated as a ref, especially over the last 5 or so years.
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#13 Fallen.Angel

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 02:22 PM

if he stop the fights early .. then it's all on the referee as well. so ...
 


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Posted 29 July 2020 - 04:51 AM

Have you ever heard mr. Francisco Santos Mir III commentate the fights of his favorite fighter, Miguel Torres?

I thought it was a garbage stoppage and thought that Hardy reacted in a very understandable and human way. Herb Dean is insanely overrated as a ref, especially over the last 5 or so years.

did you listen to the commentary? My point is not that the stoppage wasnt late but Hardy's reaction was totally unprofessional and when you listen to the commentary it is obvious why. When watching before even getting to the ko we were all saying wtf is hardy herberts corner or something

 

Late stoppage but not terrible, sure as shit if he jumped in earlier he would be getting roasted on social media just the same


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Posted 29 July 2020 - 05:48 AM

did you listen to the commentary? My point is not that the stoppage wasnt late but Hardy's reaction was totally unprofessional and when you listen to the commentary it is obvious why. When watching before even getting to the ko we were all saying wtf is hardy herberts corner or something
 
Late stoppage but not terrible, sure as shit if he jumped in earlier he would be getting roasted on social media just the same


I listened to his commentary, yes. Imo MMA commentators in general are insanely biased. Hardy's commentary in this fight wasn't the worst I've heard. I guess I've just come to expect MMA commentary to suck.
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Posted 29 July 2020 - 05:55 AM

I listened to his commentary, yes. Imo MMA commentators in general are insanely biased. Hardy's commentary in this fight wasn't the worst I've heard. I guess I've just come to expect MMA commentary to suck.

fair point mate


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Posted 29 July 2020 - 12:38 PM

I listened to his commentary, yes. Imo MMA commentators in general are insanely biased. Hardy's commentary in this fight wasn't the worst I've heard. I guess I've just come to expect MMA commentary to suck.

You have yet to watch Brazil hosts' commentary. Its SO bad I actually think Hardy does a great job.


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Posted 29 July 2020 - 02:03 PM

You have yet to watch Brazil hosts' commentary. Its SO bad I actually think Hardy does a great job.


Whenever I watch the UFC with Norwegian commentary I almost always lose my shit, so I can imagine.
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Posted 29 July 2020 - 03:59 PM

Long live the old Bas and Mauro combo.
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#20 bjornmma1

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 08:13 AM

The referee has a job not many of us can envy. 

If he stops it too early => shit referee
If he stops it too late => shit referee

If he stops it on time => subjective and always going to be people yelling that it was a bullshit stoppage

 

For this particilar fight, I personally found Hardy his reaction a disgrace and the UFC should really have a talk to him about it. 

It is easy for him to judge the referee from the sidelines, and even easier to call bullshit afterwards. 

He could just have talked to Herb after the fight backstage and voice his opinion like an adult. 

 

Perhaps it is time for Hardy to realise that he is not the referee and he thinks that he could do better, let him learn the ropes and give it a go. 
Honestly, Hardy lost more face value than Herb in this situation and rightfully so.


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