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#1 GangstaBob

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:14 AM

I have a few questions. 

 

Which primaries, secondaries, and physicals are harder to master? Or are they all equally difficult or some more than others? I assume that BJJ would be harder to build up then boxing, flexibility harder then conditioning or vice versa etc. My thought is to place all available points on wrestling and BJJ and other things that are more difficult and work on the easier things in the gym. You know to make my fighter as ready as possible as fast as possible.

 

Also, would the local gym be enough to improve areas that does not require a coach? As you know all the gyms I've seen are like $1,000 a week (except for the start off gym at $50 a week) so after 2 weeks in the elite gym my young fighter will be in debt and can't train anywhere. 

 

Any and all opinions from the more experienced players here will be greatly appreciated.


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#2 mmagladiators

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:46 AM

Primaries are hardest to train, and Physicals are easiest.

 

Id break it down more for you but im busy watching the NBA finals.


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#3 GangstaBob

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:50 AM

That's cool, break it down when you can. No rush. Thanks!


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#4 ovoxo

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 02:36 AM

http://www.mmatycoon...ic=59540&page=1
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#5 desperadoKazakh

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 01:48 PM

Boxing is the easiest i think


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#6 RegularJohn

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 08:41 PM

Cardio and Strenght are the easiest to build;

 

You can train them (and Flexibility thru yoga) at the cheaper gyms just beware for dirty gyms. The standard Cozad gyms are crap but if you look around you may find some public gym that provides CT training and Sparring for $50/week;

 

More importantly, get a mentor. He will help you with money and posibly a connect to a better gym.


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#7 alcapone

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:10 PM

yea cardio and strength are easy and with a 160 supp very easy


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#8 GangstaBob

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:21 PM

Where do you go to get a mentor and how much would getting one cost?


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#9 BigLarry

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:19 AM

Where do you go to get a mentor and how much would getting one cost?

here and it aint cost anythin

http://www.mmatycoon.com/mentor.php


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#10 GangstaBob

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 01:14 AM

Thanks guys, this helps wonderfully.


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#11 aylib

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 07:47 PM

Primaries are hardest to train, and Physicals are easiest.
 
Id break it down more for you but im busy watching the NBA finals.

I dont think i thats true, at least as a generalization.

An 18 yo with good learning speed is going to add secondaries quicker than physicals (not talking about strength or cardio with supps). In my experience, an 18 yo with good learning speed will most easily train secondaries, then primaries and then physicals.

From personal experience: subs, punches, takedowns, etc- skills that go into only 1 or almost entirely into 1 primary will train the fastest, as opposed to clinch, which goes into 3, or def grappling, or striking d (2).

BJJ and boxing train significantly quicker than do wrestling and MT.
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#12 actionjackson

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 09:22 PM

I dont think i thats true, at least as a generalization.

An 18 yo with good learning speed is going to add secondaries quicker than physicals (not talking about strength or cardio with supps). In my experience, an 18 yo with good learning speed will most easily train secondaries, then primaries and then physicals.

From personal experience: subs, punches, takedowns, etc- skills that go into only 1 or almost entirely into 1 primary will train the fastest, as opposed to clinch, which goes into 3, or def grappling, or striking d (2).

BJJ and boxing train significantly quicker than do wrestling and MT.

 

Interesting info didn't realize primaries trained at different speeds.


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#13 listerman

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 09:53 PM

To extend a bit on what aylib posted, this will help understand secondaries/primaries a bit better:

http://www.mmatycoon...=Gyms_(manager)

 

In that page, what you want to look at is the "Coaches" section:

  • Punches. Coach can have either Boxing or Muay Thai. Boxing is more effective than MT.
  • Kicks. Coach needs Muay Thai.
  • Elbows. Coach needs Muay Thai.
  • Knees. Coach needs Muay Thai.
  • Clinchwork. Coach needs Muay Thai, Wrestling and Boxing (secondary).
  • Striking defense. Coach needs Muay Thai and Boxing.
  • Takedown offense. Coach needs Wrestling.
  • Takedown defense. Coach needs Wrestling.
  • Ground and pound. Coach needs Wrestling and BJJ.
  • Submission offense. Coach needs BJJ and a small amount of Wrestling.
  • Defensive grappling. Coach needs BJJ and Wrestling (secondary).
  • Transitions. Coach needs BJJ and Wrestling (secondary).
  • Escapes. Coach needs BJJ and Wrestling (secondary)

 

From that, you can understand that each of these secondaries will also give primary points, so for example, Punches will give both Boxing and MT, but slightly more in Boxing.

Clinchwork will give points in 3 primaries, less in Boxing since its secondary, but since it gives points in 3 primaries, it spreads the points, so less gains in general.

Takedowns will go strickly to Wrestling.

Defensive grappling will give you points in BJJ and Wrestling, but more in BJJ.


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 11:36 PM

 

Interesting info didn't realize primaries trained at different speeds.

I dont now if I phrased it correctly...It is possible that kicks/MT and punches/boxing have the same rates; boxing seems to go up rapidly by training punches, however, they dont have the same effect on MT. Maybe I should have said it's easier to train up boxing and BJJ than wrestling (and probably MT) due to certain primaries providing a nice boost.

 

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Fighter above started out at 1-1-12-1; gained only + in wrestling, 7 in BJJ through def grappling. You can see boxing go up more than MT with striking training.


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#15 actionjackson

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 12:14 AM

I dont now if I phrased it correctly...It is possible that kicks/MT and punches/boxing have the same rates; boxing seems to go up rapidly by training punches, however, they dont have the same effect on MT. Maybe I should have said it's easier to train up boxing and BJJ than wrestling (and probably MT) due to certain primaries providing a nice boost.

 

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Fighter above started out at 1-1-12-1; gained only + in wrestling, 7 in BJJ through def grappling. You can see boxing go up more than MT with striking training.

 

Yeah ok makes sense.


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#16 duphus

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 06:39 PM

I dont now if I phrased it correctly...It is possible that kicks/MT and punches/boxing have the same rates; boxing seems to go up rapidly by training punches, however, they dont have the same effect on MT. Maybe I should have said it's easier to train up boxing and BJJ than wrestling (and probably MT) due to certain primaries providing a nice boost.

 

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Fighter above started out at 1-1-12-1; gained only + in wrestling, 7 in BJJ through def grappling. You can see boxing go up more than MT with striking training.

 

What you should have said was what listerman described:

 

You trained secondaries that focused more on one primary then the other. Had you started with defensive grappling instead of TDD and trained the TDD, then you would have gained more in wrestling and basically nothing in BJJ. It would look more like exceptional++ wrestling and useless BJJ.

 

Basically if you look at the chart listerman posted, you can see roughly how the points that will be gained to the primes during secondary training it go towards those primes.

 

Example 1: say ground and pound lists both primes wrestling and bjj as the same so you will roughly gain the same towards both primes the same. So if you gain 20 points towards primes, then roughly half go to both. That doesn't take into consideration on a skill difference between the two primes as obviously a unless and wonderful prime are going to gain a different rates.

 

Example 2: sub offense is mostly all BJJ and very little wrestling so if you gain 20 points to primes, then maybe 15 go to BJJ and only 5 goes to wrestling.

 

If the chart list needing both, then you can probably guess it is close to 50/50. If it says one and another prime is secondary, then a guess of 75/25 is likely and if it says another is minor then it could be something like 80/20 to 90/10.  Again guess's to a certain degree, but logical.

 

But I think aylib was more meaning in his original post that sparring isn't overly required to get higher primes, least until later in age. Which I totally agree, beside sparring to reset depop tickers.


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#17 ovoxo

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 06:53 PM

I have never noticed sub offense increasing wrestling, no matter it is said in the manual that you need wrestling to train sub offense. But dont expect to gain any wrestling while training subs.
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#18 joseppe

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 12:44 AM

This just confuses me more lmao As someone who has been here 12 months & just styarted building newbies ill just stick to the basic guide of building fighters from ovoxo guide.


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