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#41 MasterLeader

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 01:34 PM

I agree Timqwe. As it stands there is relatively careful spending due to the "total funds" criteria, if we introduce total finishes on an absolute basis, people will still be as cautious as they were in 2017 due to the total funds criteria remaining part of the game and so for that reason and taking account the results of the voting, we will implement the following:

1) Total finishes will be the new criteria (not net or proportionate basis)

2) Total funds will remain part of the game (to maintain careful spending and the strategic element as JLP mentioned)

3) There will be a 8 hour time limit per selection during the draft, however this may reduce if the draft is lagging behind. Managers are permitted to send their next 2 picks to myself if they're likely to go offline during this period, however if not the draft will continue without them and they can make their selection when they return online

4) See pink font for other new rules highlighted in original post

5) Follow "MasterLeaderMMAT" on instagram so that you can have access to the live stream of the draft order when it happens. I will endeavour to keep things as transparent as possible during the draft, given this is an area for manipulation

6) Also - I remember some debate over the price of a fighter who moves weightclass. The price will always be the maximum possible price per UFC rankings as at date of purchase. If GSP is ranked top 5 MW and moves to WW he will be priced at $50,000 not lower to account for his potential WW ranking.

Also, I've never done a live stream before - can these be viewed retrospectively by anyone or can they only be watched live? I got a feeling they can be viewed retrospectively.
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#42 JLP

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 04:05 PM

I agree Timqwe. As it stands there is relatively careful spending due to the "total funds" criteria, if we introduce total finishes on an absolute basis, people will still be as cautious as they were in 2017 due to the total funds criteria and so for that reason and taking account the results of the voting, we will implement the following:

1) Total finishes will be the new criteria (not net or proportionate basis)

2) Total funds will remain part of the game (to maintain careful spending and the strategic element as JLP mentioned)
 

I feel like #2 contradicts your first paragraph.  Are we still rewarding points for total funds or not?  I honestly cant figure out what you are trying to say. 

Total finishes is horrible, especially if we dont award points for total funds.  There will be no strategy involved for the last 3-4 months because every decent fighter will be taken by that point.  I think we needed a couple minor tweeks, like your 6 and the banning of selling fighters back right after a loss.  The rule changes you are planning on are going to really complicate things but not make it any better.


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#43 MasterLeader

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 04:16 PM

I feel like #2 contradicts your first paragraph.  Are we still rewarding points for total funds or not?  I honestly cant figure out what you are trying to say. 
Total finishes is horrible, especially if we dont award points for total funds.  There will be no strategy involved for the last 3-4 months because every decent fighter will be taken by that point.  I think we needed a couple minor tweeks, like your 6 and the banning of selling fighters back right after a loss.  The rule changes you are planning on are going to really complicate things but not make it any better.

No no no removing total funds and introduce total finishes would be so dumb.

I'm saying we are keeping total funds in and as a consequence of doing that careful spending will continue as in 2017 thus adding "total finishes" rather than "proportionate finishes" makes more sense.

The poll results were in agreement with the above which seems reasonable for the aforementioned reasons.

Also - I feel like last year there was a max limit to number of fighters which can be signed in the initial draft. Wasn't it 7 or am I remembering things wrong?

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On second thought, I'm not sure "total finishes" is the fairest scoring criteria. I think I've focussed too much on conservative spending but what's stopping someone from just buying 20 cheap fighters and winning this criteria by only a handful of fighters finishing? Introducing "total finishes" incentivises buying more unranked fighters and not splashing out on the big guns.

For this reason I am leaning towards introducing "% wins by finish" as scoring criteria. Can anyone give me a good argument against this?
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#44 Fallen.Angel

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 03:27 AM

No no no removing total funds and introduce total finishes would be so dumb.

I'm saying we are keeping total funds in and as a consequence of doing that careful spending will continue as in 2017 thus adding "total finishes" rather than "proportionate finishes" makes more sense.

The poll results were in agreement with the above which seems reasonable for the aforementioned reasons.

Also - I feel like last year there was a max limit to number of fighters which can be signed in the initial draft. Wasn't it 7 or am I remembering things wrong?

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On second thought, I'm not sure "total finishes" is the fairest scoring criteria. I think I've focussed too much on conservative spending but what's stopping someone from just buying 20 cheap fighters and winning this criteria by only a handful of fighters finishing? Introducing "total finishes" incentivises buying more unranked fighters and not splashing out on the big guns.

For this reason I am leaning towards introducing "% wins by finish" as scoring criteria. Can anyone give me a good argument against this?

% of finishes from total wins is a good idea ... let's keep that

and during the draft, if a manager misses the deadline of 8 hours ( haven't send the picks to you ), will he gets the chance to pick the fighters as he comes online straight away or will he be moved to the back of the line ?


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#45 RozzaD

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:13 AM

% of finishes from total wins is a good idea ... let's keep that

and during the draft, if a manager misses the deadline of 8 hours ( haven't send the picks to you ), will he gets the chance to pick the fighters as he comes online straight away or will he be moved to the back of the line ?

 

I think back of the line is the fair choice here. Then in the next round of the draft they go back to their original position.


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#46 Timqwe

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:27 AM

I vote for picking right away. Shooing people to the back of the line will just make it slow down again


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#47 MasterLeader

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 09:30 AM

I vote for picking right away. Shooing people to the back of the line will just make it slow down again


Yeah this was my idea - it's enough of a punishment to have a later pick so we don't need them to wait until the end of the line.
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#48 RozzaD

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 09:46 AM

aight lets just finalize all these rules then and get this draft order sorted. Buzzin m8's.


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#49 MasterLeader

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 12:34 PM

aight lets just finalize all these rules then and get this draft order sorted. Buzzin m8's.


Okay I think we can agree on "% wins by finish" as well as keeping total funds and the other rules already highlighted.

I'll fix the main post shortly, difficult to format on my phone.

The draft itself will begin once the rankings are finalised following the next event which will most likely be 3rd January right?
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#50 JLP

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 03:24 PM

I think "% of wins by finish" is pretty dumb actually.  One of the guys who drafts a team and never plays again could win it.  I like net finishes way more if we are hell bent on adding another category, but I dont think its necessary and I'd leave it like it was.


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#51 MasterLeader

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:02 PM

I think "% of wins by finish" is pretty dumb actually.  One of the guys who drafts a team and never plays again could win it.  I like net finishes way more if we are hell bent on adding another category, but I dont think its necessary and I'd leave it like it was.


That's irrelevant - if a guy manages one win then he'll lose camp value, do badly in funds ranking and lose record ranking, thus finishing near the bottom.

A manager could end up with 20 wins, 12 of which are by finish and do well under "net finishes" despite only 60% wins being by finish, hence my original suggestion.

You're just nit picking now.
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#52 JLP

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 09:32 PM

That's irrelevant - if a guy manages one win then he'll lose camp value, do badly in funds ranking and lose record ranking, thus finishing near the bottom.

A manager could end up with 20 wins, 12 of which are by finish and do well under "net finishes" despite only 60% wins being by finish, hence my original suggestion.

You're just nit picking now.

Of course they'll finish at the bottom of nearly every category if they never add another fighter, but that only reinforces how dumb your % idea is.  Someone who never adds a fighter after the draft has a shot at winning that category.  That same manager could never win the net finishes category.


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#53 MasterLeader

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 01:59 AM

Finishing top of a category doesnt matter if you finish bottom of the others.

Did you ignore the downside of net finishes as I mentioned in my previous post?

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
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#54 MasterLeader

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:38 PM

Right guys doesnt look like anyone else is signing up. Im going to firm the rules in a minute.

For those of you who are keen to watch the draft order draw live, I have added a poll for potential draw times to maximise potential audience.

Poll randomly deleted itself.

Im thinking well do the draw on the evening of New Years Day given people wont be at work and likely to be rolling around at home. 21:30 GMT (13:30 PT) okay for everyone?
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#55 Rei

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:10 AM

That time should be fine for me :)


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#56 The1rstSaint

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:27 AM

Sounds good and now that I fucked my back up I will have plenty of time to scout fighters lol.


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#57 Fallen.Angel

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:42 AM

Right guys doesnt look like anyone else is signing up. Im going to firm the rules in a minute.

For those of you who are keen to watch the draft order draw live, I have added a poll for potential draw times to maximise potential audience.

Poll randomly deleted itself.

Im thinking well do the draw on the evening of New Years Day given people wont be at work and likely to be rolling around at home. 21:30 GMT (13:30 PT) okay for everyone?

Great ..... can't wait for the new league to start
btw, u got my mail right ?


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#58 MasterLeader

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:18 AM

Great ..... can't wait for the new league to start
btw, u got my mail right ?


Got your email mate - arrangements sound reasonable

2 days until the draw!

For those that cant view the live stream, it will be made available for 24h following the broadcast :)

Any advice on how I should run the draw? Was thinking lay out every name on a piece of paper on a table, then fold them all individually shuffle them, put them in a bowl, mix the bowl up and pick names from 1 bowl and numbers (1-14) from the other bowl
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#59 JLP

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 09:56 PM

Finishing top of a category doesnt matter if you finish bottom of the others.

Did you ignore the downside of net finishes as I mentioned in my previous post?

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

I cant even decipher what your downside of net finishes argument is.  I appreciate you running the league because rory doesnt have the time to do it anymore, but I dont think you even understand how things will change with what you want to do.   The scoring system we used previously was fine, I dont know why you are hell bent on screwing it up.  Just run it however you want and we'll hope you dont fuck it up too much.


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#60 MasterLeader

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:53 PM

I cant even decipher what your downside of net finishes argument is.  I appreciate you running the league because rory doesnt have the time to do it anymore, but I dont think you even understand how things will change with what you want to do.   The scoring system we used previously was fine, I dont know why you are hell bent on screwing it up.  Just run it however you want and we'll hope you dont fuck it up too much.


I’ve literally added one major change on the back of demand from other participants and consulted everyone to agree on a solution, kept things simple because there was nothing majorly wrong with how things were run last year just a few tweaks here and there.

I’ve also agreed roles with Fallen Angel to ensure this is run properly and put procedures in place to make the draw fair.

What’s your problem? What more do you want from me?
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