rac2 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 http://bleacherrepor...-conduct-breech Amongst other adjectives, he refferred to Fox as a 'disgusting freak'. UFC's official statement: The UFC was appalled by the transphobic comments made by heavyweight Matt Mitrione today in an interview on [The MMA Hour]. The organization finds Mr Mitrione's comments offensive and wholly unacceptable and - as a direct result of this significant breach of the UFC's code of conduct – Mr Mitrione's UFC contract has been suspended and the incident is being investigated. The UFC is a friend and ally of the LGBT community, and expects and requires all 450 of its athletes to treat others with dignity and respect. what do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 i think its fucked up -- i mean dana gets away with saying anything he wants but yet a fighter cant speak his mind or thoughts without getting worried about being fired or suspended -- as far as fallon fox i think its wrong "it" fights in women's mma 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 good. he sounded like the biggest idiot and spouted some of the dumbest things ive ever heard. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I never liked the guy. But I agree with him here. Everything negative he said about her was regarding her being a man wanting to fight woman. Not her/him being transgendered. He didn't do anything Joe Rogan and countless others have agreed publicly with. I hate when people try to force people to be fakes. I want to hear what people really believe so I can decide if I want to support them or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Fallon Fox should be arrested every time he hits a woman. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rac2 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It's funny because I was watching the show and noted his rape comment, one I thought would get him in trouble, then he started talking about Fallon Fox and the rape stuff has been ignored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Fallon Fox should be arrested every time he hits a woman. Agree. People are saying she has no male advantages left. But I say that's bullshit and what people miss in all of this is her age. There is no way you can watch her fights and say she has not kepts any strength. No man that age is physically dominating people like she does. She is 37 years old and is rag dolling girls in their prime. How can they say she lost all her male strength and she just happens to be stronger than anyone in her/his division at an age she should have lost a lot of physical ability even as a woman. He might not have the strength of a man anymore but he sure as hell isn't on the same level as the woman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Agree. People are saying she has no male advantages left. But I say that's bullshit and what people miss in all of this is her age. There is no way you can watch her fights and say she has not kepts any strength. No man that age is physically dominating people like she does. She is 37 years old and is rag dolling girls in their prime. How can they say she lost all her male strength and she just happens to be stronger than anyone in her/his division at an age she should have lost a lot of physical ability even as a woman. He might not have the strength of a man anymore but he sure as hell isn't on the same level as the woman. Doesn't matter if he's super strong, or super weak. He is a he. Getting some doctor to perform an operation/surgery, and give you some medication, doesn't make you a woman. The fact that anybody would consider him a woman is borderline fucking retarded. You can call him an "it" because he isn't a woman, and without a dick and sack it isn't really a man anymore either. Does he have a menstrual cycle? Does his vagina bleed once a month when he isn't eating birth control? Oh shit, wait, it can't reproduce. It's a man, and it should never be allowed to punch a woman. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Doesn't matter if he's super strong, or super weak. He is a he. Getting some doctor to perform an operation/surgery, and give you some medication, doesn't make you a woman. The fact that anybody would consider him a woman is borderline fucking retarded. You can call him an "it" because he isn't a woman, and without a dick and sack it isn't really a man anymore either. Does he have a menstrual cycle? Does his vagina bleed once a month when he isn't eating birth control? Oh shit, wait, it can't reproduce. It's a man, and it should never be allowed to punch a woman. I agree with all of that but the strength does matter. We are suppurated in sports not because of the term male or female but what those labels represent. She has advantages from being a man that's makes it unfair competition and very dangerous for him to fight woman. If men and woman were on a qual playing field they would all be merged into one division. Regardless of gender. But it isn't a level playing field and clearly after her sex change process she still isn't on a level playing field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I agree with all of that but the strength does matter. We are suppurated in sports not because of the term male or female but what those labels represent. She has advantages from being a man that's makes it unfair competition and very dangerous for him to fight woman. If men and woman were on a qual playing field they would all be merged into one division. Regardless of gender. But it isn't a level playing field and clearly after her sex change process she still isn't on a level playing field. You seen my point, but misunderstood my statement. I agree with you but it doesn't matter, hypothetically, if Fallon Fox was the weakest, skinniest, most frail human being on this planet and couldn't bench press 10 lbs. It's still a dude and shouldn't be allowed to hit females. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 You seen my point, but misunderstood my statement. I agree with you but it doesn't matter, hypothetically, if Fallon Fox was the weakest, skinniest, most frail human being on this planet and couldn't bench press 10 lbs. It's still a dude and shouldn't be allowed to hit females. I agree. I made a post on Sherdog that Matt was raised like most men that hitting a woman is one of the worst things you could ever do. Its understandable he is passionately against it and Fox. That said Fox was a man for his entire life and should have had the same principals. Regardless of what she wanted to be or who she related to. No operation or meds would take those principals away unless he never had them and wasn't against hitting woman before the "change". Either way he has to be a scumbag to WANT to hit woman. Even if the playing field was level it doesn't make it right. Doesn't matter if you say "Ill fight you with 1 hand behind my back" or "ill cut off my cock and balls and show you whose boss". Its still wrong. Actually that would have been a great quote for Dana to have said to Loretta Hunt haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 she wouldn't have had the same principles if she identified as a woman most of her life. we know nothing of her past so it's not something that can be commented on. she meets the retirements of the IOC and NCAA... but I'm sure two red necks and a pot head know better. I'm not taking a stance on it quite yet because I don't know enough about it to really comment. I can see the reasoning for being against it...100% there's an argument for it not to be done. bone density and structure... I don't know if she's closer to a man than a woman. the issue I have is the level of ignorance mitrione showed when going on his idiotic rant. as I said... I'm glad he got suspended. no one should be allowed to be that dumb and ignorant without consequence. this thread has shown the same level of ignorance... but we are dealing with red necks. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Who cares about the IOC. They made a quick decision based on political correctness and money. Dr Ben on Junkie says the same thing. He said there is no studies on this to go by and to allow it without knowing all the facts and put people at risk would be a huge mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The issue I have is how strong would she be if she was never a man. We don't know. But I do think it is to much coincidence to think she would just happen to be the strongest in her division or even one of the top strongest on the entire spectrum of strength in WMMA. I have a feeling that all transgender men would land at the top of this spectrum also. That shows she retain some of their male advantages even if they are not exactly the strongest but just at the top of the spectrum. It would still be unfair. Just as you would let someone roid their way to being "one of the strongest" in MMA and say its ok because they fall on the male MMA fighter strength spectrum. It would still be an unnatural advantage. Just as being a man has given her more strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveas Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I agree with the meat of what he said in regards to her not losing all her male advantages and how no one told her opponents until after the fights. I don't think this is a path we should go down with in MMA. If you want a league just to transgendered then fine, but I don't feel comfortable with one knocking out real women. The part I disagree with is the part that likely got him suspended and rightfully so. He may have just meant it for this one case of a man wanting to fight women, but it came off as a slam towards the much larger group when he compared her to a serial killer, sociopath, ect... Toss in the rape joke and Dana really didn't have a choice in the matter. You can easily disagree with her fighting real women without all the idiotic comments he made, but he never came across as the brightest fighter in the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I agree with the meat of what he said in regards to her not losing all her male advantages and how no one told her opponents until after the fights. I don't think this is a path we should go down with in MMA. If you want a league just to transgendered then fine, but I don't feel comfortable with one knocking out real women. The part I disagree with is the part that likely got him suspended and rightfully so. He may have just meant it for this one case of a man wanting to fight women, but it came off as a slam towards the much larger group when he compared her to a serial killer, sociopath, ect... Toss in the rape joke and Dana really didn't have a choice in the matter. You can easily disagree with her fighting real women without all the idiotic comments he made, but he never came across as the brightest fighter in the sport. I agree with that. I also think the UFC was just saving face and the suspension will be over before he was supposed to fight again anyway. I have a real problem with people being censored like this. It would be different if he was assaulting someone In person or something like that. BUt he was doing an interview and giving his honest opinion and real emotions. We all know Meathead isn't the smartest guy. But this type of over sensitive react happens to bite lots of people and how smart they are has nothing to do with it. So what do we want? Do we want fighters to stop doing interviews? We want them to be robots so we never know the real them? In other sports people already have an expected answer for everything and they know every player will repeat it. Its front page news if someone says something different. They have to be tricked to ever get their real opinion on anything. Do we really need to punish Meathead? Cant we just let him be the bad guy if the public wants to think of him as such? Think of all the stuff that made Tank Abbott so popular that would be "offesnsive" to some group now. From say Tre wishing he had his other pectoral muscle right about now, to saying video of him punching Valeans is getting him sexually aroused or getting Raped by Freddie Mercury. You got to see the real him. His personality and sense of humor to like him or hate him. He shouldn't be forced to act like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveas Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 He represents the company, and slandering a particular group the way he did cannot make the company happy. It is simple to make all the points he wanted to make without the added insults. No one was saying he couldn't hold that point of view or share it. A few more IQ points and there would not have been any issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 He represents the company, and slandering a particular group the way he did cannot make the company happy. It is simple to make all the points he wanted to make without the added insults. No one was saying he couldn't hold that point of view or share it. A few more IQ points and there would not have been any issue. From what I have read he didn't slander any group. His comments were towards Fox as an individual. To me people are taking his personal attacks and directing them towards those groups and that wasn't his intentions. Like him calling Fox a disgusting Freak. It was because he is punching woman in the face and has a desire to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Kicker Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 the suspension is just window dressing anyway. the guy JUST fought, and he'll probably fight again in 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 From what I have read he didn't slander any group. His comments were towards Fox as an individual. To me people are taking his personal attacks and directing them towards those groups and that wasn't his intentions. Like him calling Fox a disgusting Freak. It was because he is punching woman in the face and has a desire to do it. He also compared Fox to Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs for being transgendered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm out of positive votes, but in a fit of irony, FMan is actually right on the money here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The ufc is a joke. Dana is a joke. A fighter cant speak his mind on what he thinks but dana can say the most foil thing and it gets blown off like it's nothing. What a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rac2 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 she wouldn't have had the same principles if she identified as a woman most of her life. we know nothing of her past so it's not something that can be commented on. she meets the retirements of the IOC and NCAA... but I'm sure two red necks and a pot head know better. I'm not taking a stance on it quite yet because I don't know enough about it to really comment. I can see the reasoning for being against it...100% there's an argument for it not to be done. bone density and structure... I don't know if she's closer to a man than a woman. the issue I have is the level of ignorance mitrione showed when going on his idiotic rant. as I said... I'm glad he got suspended. no one should be allowed to be that dumb and ignorant without consequence. this thread has shown the same level of ignorance... but we are dealing with red necks. you got a point there, but the thing is there's a huge hypocrisy in society. See, we're kind of living a "patrol" of the "politically correct". Matt obviously used inappropriate terms, but the suspension will probably be short, only to avoid upsetting the gay community. The suspension time hasn't been published yet but what would be a typical suspension? 6 months? That would probably be his waiting time anyway, he just fought... I believe it would be more appropriate in this case if the UFC released an official statement saying the company does not share Matt's opinion. That would probably cause Matt to apologise and that'd be it. Now the hypocrisy lies in the fact that the UFC assigned a fake suspension just to look good, and then fighters now have think twice before speaking their minds. Things are strange... if any transgender shows up and says Matt is a disgusting freak and an abomination for what he has said, it will be acceptable, people won't really care. Everything now is patrol, is homophobia, bullying, racism... not saying those things do not exist, but the world is getting really really boring day after day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I mean if he wants to hit a women that's wrong I don't know any man who wants to do that. That is wrong and they are wrong mentally as they know in his heart he is still a man and hitting women is wrong. Don't get me started on the tranny thing as well. Mittrione getting suspended is damn stupid, if he gets suspended then so should Rogan and many other people even dana the shit he says, you know what im saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 you got a point there, but the thing is there's a huge hypocrisy in society. See, we're kind of living a "patrol" of the "politically correct". Matt obviously used inappropriate terms, but the suspension will probably be short, only to avoid upsetting the gay community. The suspension time hasn't been published yet but what would be a typical suspension? 6 months? That would probably be his waiting time anyway, he just fought... I believe it would be more appropriate in this case if the UFC released an official statement saying the company does not share Matt's opinion. That would probably cause Matt to apologise and that'd be it. Now the hypocrisy lies in the fact that the UFC assigned a fake suspension just to look good, and then fighters now have think twice before speaking their minds. Things are strange... if any transgender shows up and says Matt is a disgusting freak and an abomination for what he has said, it will be acceptable, people won't really care. Everything now is patrol, is homophobia, bullying, racism... not saying those things do not exist, but the world is getting really really boring day after day. i agree...the suspension is a joke and wont effect matt's career at all. i also agree that the ufc is very hypocritical in who they "suspend" and who they dont. like i said, i dont even fully disagree with mitrione's stance. the fallon fox thing is a hot topic and there's a reason why there's a debate about it right now. it's very controversial topic and it's hard to say what is right and what is wrong...even the medical community is pretty split on it. i just think it's hilarious a moron like mitrione can spout off like the biggest idiot about it, when he clearly knows very little about this topic. it's even funnier when some rednecks come into the the thread and spout out even more ignorance. if you dont know a topic or understand something...then stfu. that's all. i dont think a transgender person will come out and say matt is a freak, because that would be dumb and it would be counterproductive. i think they would say he is an idiot and of low intelligence, which is true. they would say he is very uneducated on the topic, which is also true. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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