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#1 KawasakiRamenBlitz

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:15 PM

Hi all, 

I've seen young fighters around with very high primaries. Is there a trick to popping them quickly? I know training the corresponding secondaries is also boosting the primary itself and then there's sparring. Anything else I am missing though? 
My physicals and secondaries are popping well, but primaries seem to come along slowly, despite frequent sparring. I appreciate any tips.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:22 PM

Sparring is the quickest way, but it depends on your sparring partner skills.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:34 PM

Sparring is the quickest way, but it depends on your sparring partner skills.

 

 

I've been told that you need as many people sparring at the same time as possible. Would it in fact be more effective to spar with fewer people who have higher sparring value though?


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 06:16 PM

Doesn't matter the number of people. It only thing that matters is skill level. If you're a white belt sparring a bunch of blue belts your skills will grow very slowly if at all. If you train with a black or red belt 1 on 1 your skills will improve very quickly.

I like to mix in both secondary.and.primary training to make my skills pop.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 06:26 PM

It really depents how you set those starting points.. If you make fighter with 1 wrestling and 110 points at takedowns and takedown def, you need to spar a lot wrestling to get high wrestling.

 

At beginning i dont spar my fighters at all. My Pulkkinen is 20 years old and hes 70/70/125/95 without any sparring.


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#6 Bwang

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 06:40 PM

Can anyone confirm the optimum sparring numbers? Optimum optimum. I believe it is one guy sparring with two elite level partners. ?
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#7 LucidNightmare

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:05 PM

If you really want a certain primary to pop quicker, try sparring like 3 sessions of that skill in the same week. Throw in some related secondary training and you should pop faster. Learning speed could be the issue though, as my fastest learners seem to pop way more often then even my middle of the road guys.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:02 AM

Doesn't matter the number of people. It only thing that matters is skill level. If you're a white belt sparring a bunch of blue belts your skills will grow very slowly if at all. If you train with a black or red belt 1 on 1 your skills will improve very quickly.

I like to mix in both secondary.and.primary training to make my skills pop.

 

This is an ill-informed post. A white belt sparring with a bunch of blues will in fact learn as fast as his learning hidden will allow (relative to how high the blue belts are, of course). The number of people in a sparring session does matter, and there is a penalty for sparring one on one now. Be careful what you pass on as "help" in the noob forums please.  :nono:

 

 

Edit: Some helpful info regarding sparring can be found here: http://www.mmatycoon...ng_Changes_2011


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:41 AM

Awesome, thanks for the help guys! Very informative.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 03:57 PM

the skill level can be found out by the 'star signs' near the sparring fighters when checked the sparring list, right guys ?


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 03:58 PM

the skill level can be found out by the 'star signs' near the sparring fighters when checked the sparring list, right guys ?

Yes :)


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:00 PM

thanks .... them having 4-5 stars means they are good sparring partners ?


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:03 PM

thanks .... them having 4-5 stars means they are good sparring partners ?

5 is the best, so yeah, you have great sparring dudes.


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#14 Fallen.Angel

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:04 PM

5 is the best, so yeah, you have great sparring dudes.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:06 PM

Previously the perfect sparring partner was always someone with 150 in the skill you were training. So if you were sparring boxing, you always wanted to be training with someone of as high a skill as possible in boxing primary. That is no longer necessary. In order to train at the maximum level possible you only need to train with someone 20% better than your current skill level. Anything above this will have no additional benefit. Note, this means your own primary e.g. boxing, compared to your sparring partners’ boxing sparring value. So if you have 20 in boxing primary, you need to train with someone of 24 or better boxing sparring value, to get maximum gains.

 

Does anybody know if the bolded text here is also true for coaches and secondaries?


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 05:59 PM

Previously the perfect sparring partner was always someone with 150 in the skill you were training. So if you were sparring boxing, you always wanted to be training with someone of as high a skill as possible in boxing primary. That is no longer necessary. In order to train at the maximum level possible you only need to train with someone 20% better than your current skill level. Anything above this will have no additional benefit. Note, this means your own primary e.g. boxing, compared to your sparring partners’ boxing sparring value. So if you have 20 in boxing primary, you need to train with someone of 24 or better boxing sparring value, to get maximum gains.

 

 

 

The wiki mentions this only for sparring , for secondaries there is another table where it shows the skill level needed  to get maximun training.

 

http://www.mmatycoon...329#entry550740


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 06:05 PM

Previously the perfect sparring partner was always someone with 150 in the skill you were training. So if you were sparring boxing, you always wanted to be training with someone of as high a skill as possible in boxing primary. That is no longer necessary. In order to train at the maximum level possible you only need to train with someone 20% better than your current skill level. Anything above this will have no additional benefit. Note, this means your own primary e.g. boxing, compared to your sparring partners’ boxing sparring value. So if you have 20 in boxing primary, you need to train with someone of 24 or better boxing sparring value, to get maximum gains.

 

Does anybody know if the bolded text here is also true for coaches and secondaries?

A lot of people have said that it is the same for coaches as well. i wouldn't be 100% certain on it though.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 11:47 AM

 

 

Does anybody know if the bolded text here is also true for coaches and secondaries?

 

This chart is from the wiki and should clear things up for you.

 

Edit: Sorry, didn't notice Dude already posted. I hate when others do this so I feel especially stupid for doing it myself.  :OMG: 


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:50 PM

 

The wiki mentions this only for sparring , for secondaries there is another table where it shows the skill level needed  to get maximun training.

 

http://www.mmatycoon...329#entry550740

Oh right, I saw that the other day and totally forgot about it. Thanks.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:30 PM

instead of opening a new topic I will ask here.

 

Say if I wanted to get my wrestling higher, would I need to spar it more than once a week.

 

Also, if I had a rating of 1 wrestling, is it possible to have secondaries at 12 for takedown defence and offence? and still be effective?


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