willzay82 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 How much more effective is a session with 1 fighter than 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortstacker Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 Judging by how many private gyms run with 1 fighter sessions, it’s gotta be significant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne95 Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 It's very effective. But going 2 sessions per coach is ok too.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDisney Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 How much more effective is a session with 1 fighter than 2? This chart still applies in 2020: http://mmatycoon.info/index.php?title=Training_Changes_2011 This applies to coached classes and not sparring, btw. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 This chart still applies in 2020: http://mmatycoon.info/index.php?title=Training_Changes_2011 This applies to coached classes and not sparring, btw. This brings up questions about sparring for me. Although I feel I have optimized my sparring sessions I still wonder where the information and technicalities are. My sparring sessions never go over 11 fighters because my understanding is that 12 fighters in a sparring session or more makes them divide those last 2 extra ppl into another group (they'd be the lowest sparring value fighters) which is less effective, whereas 11 fighters will ensure 2 groups of 5-6 and they'd juggle the lowest sparring value fighter between the 2 groups of 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 9 max, not 11 i think 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMitchell Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Yeah I heard best is 5-9 range 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 This brings up questions about sparring for me. Although I feel I have optimized my sparring sessions I still wonder where the information and technicalities are. My sparring sessions never go over 11 fighters because my understanding is that 12 fighters in a sparring session or more makes them divide those last 2 extra ppl into another group (they'd be the lowest sparring value fighters) which is less effective, whereas 11 fighters will ensure 2 groups of 5-6 and they'd juggle the lowest sparring value fighter between the 2 groups of 5. no more than 9 mate as they split into 2 groups at 10 as far as I am aware 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxxtremeT13 Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Jumping in the sparring portion. How much less effective is sparring back to back sessions? Is there any positive from back to back or should sparring strictly be done only every AM or PM? Can you do (for example) Monday AM and PM take Tuesday AM off then go Tuesday PM and Weds AM and then Weds PM... you get the cycle? Or is the effectiveness just not worth it? I have a fighter that really doesnt have any secondaries to train to build up. Just maintain, but needs to get his primarys up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDisney Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Jumping in the sparring portion. How much less effective is sparring back to back sessions? Is there any positive from back to back or should sparring strictly be done only every AM or PM? Can you do (for example) Monday AM and PM take Tuesday AM off then go Tuesday PM and Weds AM and then Weds PM... you get the cycle? Or is the effectiveness just not worth it? I have a fighter that really doesnt have any secondaries to train to build up. Just maintain, but needs to get his primarys up If you feel it's absolutely necessary, the perfect time to do back to back sparring is Saturday am & pm. The diminishing returns hit is sizable (circa 60%, iirc) and there is an energy hit as well, but Monday morning your sparring will go back to very close to normal with no penalty. I wouldn't do it for too many weeks in a row or you'll get a whiny pm about "needing a break from sparring, boss". You really want to avoid that because his morale and gains take huge hits if you continue on and don't take a sparring break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Jumping in the sparring portion. How much less effective is sparring back to back sessions? Is there any positive from back to back or should sparring strictly be done only every AM or PM? Can you do (for example) Monday AM and PM take Tuesday AM off then go Tuesday PM and Weds AM and then Weds PM... you get the cycle? Or is the effectiveness just not worth it? I have a fighter that really doesnt have any secondaries to train to build up. Just maintain, but needs to get his primarys up NEVER. that's the answer. spar every other session. don't spar back to back. ever. never ever. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortstacker Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Is there a generally acceptable training syllabus out there? I’ve got a couple of my 18 year olds to 13 cardio, just looking for where to go from here. Spam general circuits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Ideally you want to get the following secondaries to 12 (and then higher): Punches, kicks, clinch, striking defence, defensive grappling. Then depending on ground attacking or defending either tkd def, trans and escapes, or takedowns, trans and sub/gnp. Either mix them up or train one at a time. At least one CT per week too. Strength to 12 too. When cardio and strength are 12 they can be left to increase naturally with the CT boosts. No right or wrong way if you are training them for some months, but if you are fighting them asap then focus on the essentials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Ideally you want to get the following secondaries to 12 (and then higher): Punches, kicks, clinch, striking defence, defensive grappling. Then depending on ground attacking or defending either tkd def, trans and escapes, or takedowns, trans and sub/gnp. Either mix them up or train one at a time. At least one CT per week too. Strength to 12 too. When cardio and strength are 12 they can be left to increase naturally with the CT boosts. No right or wrong way if you are training them for some months, but if you are fighting them asap then focus on the essentials. For ground defending (so strikers) I prefer TDD, Def Grappling and Escapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 For ground defending (so strikers) I prefer TDD, Def Grappling and Escapes. Def grap is a must for both styles. You can, as a striker, have punches kicks clinch str def tkd def def grap escapes And tran at a high level. Of those 8 I would focus least on trans but still have them over 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyel Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 How much more effective is a session with 1 fighter than 2? To answer the original question, my observation is that 2 on 1 is about 12 % worse than 1 on 1, and it gets better if the other fighter in that session is not useless with the skill. Now, to add perspective to this, a 6 speed learner is ~24.7% slower than a 7 speed learner, and 6 speed learners are perfectly viable, so it's really not that big of a deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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