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Posted 20 April 2018 - 05:42 PM

ok it seems it is official, Leonard actually wants to come to LA (Leonard is from Leonard). 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=HxVMb0y2ONA

 

If that is true, then we have no real reason to trade for him. We can simply ride out 2018/19, sign George, resign Randle and we can keep our young guys. 


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Posted 22 April 2018 - 04:55 PM

I am very impressed by the Pelican's. Most people have them written off when Cousin's went down injured, not only did they make it to the playoffs, but they made it to the #6 seed. Now they have Swept the #3 seed Blazers in the first round and most of those games were relatively easy wins. I love it because the Pelicans are basically made up from other teams "rejects" plus Anthony Davis. Holiday was offloaded by the 76ers, he was a good player but never considered great. Rondo is considered way past his prime and has bounced around unsuccessfully in the past few years. Mirotic was fined earlier this year by the Bulls for getting into a fight and traded shortly after to New Orleans. If you have a look at their roster, they have a bunch of nobodies. The bad news for them is that next round they have GS, so this run will probably end soon.


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 07:25 AM

This series between the pacers n cavs is playing out odd to me. I feel as if the pacers are barely hanging on (i am a pacers guy BTW). I love seeing how good they are doing. After tonights loss, idk if they can win this. It is all up to the next game. 

 

One thing about pacers v cavs is that they never get smoked, and are always somehow in it. Just need to get Lance Stephenson to stop with the clinch takedowns and it will all be good. I think he went for some of those non-existent clinch elbows at the end there haha. 


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 11:11 PM

My only problem not trading for him mentor is other teams aren't gonna sit and wait if he's available. So if Boston trades for him, or philly or i've seen the twolves would offer wiggins in a package so if paired with KAT and jimmy b and he makes an nba or finals or possibly win one._._does he wanna play in LA so badly he walks away from a championship contending situation ?


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mrblack, on 13 November 2011 - 01:14 PM, said: i take the fights if i think i can win them and wont take them if i dont want to.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 03:02 AM

My only problem not trading for him mentor is other teams aren't gonna sit and wait if he's available. So if Boston trades for him, or philly or i've seen the twolves would offer wiggins in a package so if paired with KAT and jimmy b and he makes an nba or finals or possibly win one._._does he wanna play in LA so badly he walks away from a championship contending situation ?

 

The scenario that many people are playing out now is basically the Lakers will send them Ingram + Ball + the first round pick in exchange for Leonard. This will open up enough space to sign George + Lebron assuming they stretch Deng. Then they can resign Randle, Thomas and Lopez and go over the cap because they are current members of the Lakers. I think this lineup:

 

Lebron

George

Leonard

Kuzma

Randle 

 

With Lopez, Thomas, Hart and some role players can basically compete with anyone in the league. Not sure they can resign Lopez and Thomas though as it will probably give them a payroll close to 150 m. Lopez already said he would take a pay cut to play on a contender and would like to stay in LA.

 

For Leonard the best place to go is probably 76ers, i heard you could offer them Fultz and 2 picks. Personally if i was the Spurs i would take our offer of Ingram, Ball and 1 pick, Ingram is way more proven than Fultz and the 1 pick will likely be worth less than Ball.

 

Boston can offer Tatum and or Brown, but unless they are willing to give both of those, i still think our offer is better and if you was Boston would you give Tatum and Brown? I most certainly would not, i like those 2 players A LOT, i think Boston will be fine without Leonard next year if they can get Irving and Haywood back fully fit. Obviously if they can get Leonard with just one of those 2 players together with picks, then it is worth considering for sure.

 

I do not really rate Minnesota and rumors are Butler will be leaving next year anyway, i think the Spurs would be crazy to agree to an offer of Wiggins in a package, he is basically an over rated / under performing volume shooter who cannot be bothered to put consistent effort in his D.

 

Anyway, from what it seems he will either go nowhere or will go to one of those 4.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=2PjsfEQy1gs

 

More about that there.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:27 PM

Yeah I know we have the ability to make a trade for Kawhi and still bring in Lebron James. We'd probably have to offer Fultz, Covington and probably another contract like Justin Anderson or someone like that + possibly both pick 10 and 26 this year. And then we'd have to get rid of Bayless' contract to still get to 35+ mil in space to make a run at Lebron. Then we'd most likely re-sign Redick to the mid level exception to keep him in the fold as well. 

 

 

I'm not even saying I want that to happen because quite honestly I'm not sure how Lebron fits with our team. The only way that fits imo is if Lebron is looking at Philly as a place he can come to extend his career and not have to be the catalyst for 35+ min a game all the time. He'd have to be willing to come here and let the ball be in Ben Simmons' hands and let it be his show and then just pick and choose his moments to assert himself onto the game. Because Ben Simmons' playing off the ball doesn't seem like it'd work and Lebron is used to dominating the ball. Same reason I don't see how him and Lonzo fit together if he were to go to LA. Ben and Lonzo would do nothing but kill your ability to space the floor playing off the ball. 

 

 

Anyway I'd be willing to bet a lot of teams would try to make a run at Kawhi. Some of the offers I've seen for him so far are....

 

 

Clippers - A. Bradley, T. Harris, pick 12 & pick 13 this year

 

76ers - Fultz, Covington, pick 10 and pick 26

 

Lakers - Ingram, Ball + 1st round pick

 

Celtics - Brown + Horford + 2 of the 4 first round picks they have next year (Mem, LAC, Sac, own) for Kawhi and Gasol

 

 

But I could also see a few other teams try to get into the mix that have acquired assets over the years like Denver and Phoenix or a few others that I can't think of off the top of my head. Or you could see teams maybe like the Wizards, Bucks or Blazers include one of their stars if they decides is time to break that shit up. Maybe a deal around Beal or McCollum or something like that. Speaking of this topic, if I were both of those teams I would be breaking it up. 


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mrblack, on 13 November 2011 - 01:14 PM, said: i take the fights if i think i can win them and wont take them if i dont want to.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:05 PM

I do not think the Clippers have much of a choice with that offer, also the Celtics will need to add at least 3 of their 4 picks to compete with the offer the 76ers and Lakers have there. I think the 76ers and Lakers offer is somewhat similar, it all depends what the Spurs hope they can get at that 10th spot in the draft. To be honest, what really matters here is what Leonard wants, if he actually wants to go to LA, then the Spurs will need to basically need to deal with us and we can probably get a discount due to it. 

 

My personal opinion is that neither the 76ers or Boston really need to push anything, you are in a fantastic position as it is, you have at least 2 cornerstone All star players. If i was Boston or 76ers i would not try to go for Lebron for sure and i would not go "all in" for Leonard either. All you really need to do is keep flexibility, offload the bad contracts and resign the dudes you do have to good long term deals and you will be set. The Lakers on the other hand are not in such a good position, we do not have that all star type player and the young core we have are nice, but are unlikely to be transcendent players. At best they could be borderline all stars and that is about it. We also have a lot less options in the draft to bring in those top rookies, so our only option is to clear out all the cap space and try to land 3 top players and surround them with mid level exception role players. Due to the lack of general talent, those 3 super stars will need to be very versatile players, able to play in various roles, so Lebron, George and Leonard make sense. None are playmakers, but all can play make and my view is that big men these days do not need to be Elite, they need to rebound, finish at a high % at the rim and protect the paint. You can get those types cheap.

 

I have read a few articles and listened to some podcasts and they are basically saying that to land all 3 of them, we realistically need to offload Deng as well, either to the Spurs or somewhere else because even if we lets say stretch his contract, it will basically mean we wont have enough space to renew Randle AND land enough depth to be competitive. Also for us it is better to offload Ball and Ingram instead of Kuzma because they are earning 7m each next year and Kuzma is on under 7m. If we cannot offload Deng it means we can keep Kuzma, but it means no Randle. The ideal option for us is for Leonard to say he wants to join us, that will keep teams like Boston and 76ers out of the equation and it means we can make an offer of Ingram + Ball (still very good, but we can save that 1st round pick). Then hopefully we can offload the Deng contract with that 1st round pick, maybe a second rounder and someone lower ranking such as Zubac or Hart. If we can do that then i think we will be competing for the title next year.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:06 PM

I forgot to say, IF the Bucks get KOed by a Boston team without Haywood and Irving (and it seems that way now), then they should start by sacking the coach, that is absolutely pathetic. That is basically a team with Horford and 2-3 players with less than 3 years of NBA experience (Rozier, Larkin, Brown and Tatumn), How can that team be losing to a team with Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Parker and last years ROY Brogdon? Full credit to the Boston coach, plus their undervalued talent. Their young guys are really putting on a show, but i do not see them getting past you guys, the Bucks have more chance i think.


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