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#81 shockg

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 08:19 AM

It's ridiculous to say that words are worse than bombs.  No sane person can possibly make that statement, let alone write a long diatribe on it.  The article you posted doesnt even advance that same position.  It says inflammatory rhetoric can antagonize muslims.  No shit, we all know that.  But it never says words are worse then bombs, probably one of the most asinine things i ever read.  Obama bombing the shit out of muslims in the ME, a policy which Hillary has already said will continue and intensify when she wins, causes far more harm than Trump talking on a subject.

You are so wrong I can't even describe it. Your reductive arguments are child like. Trump has said he will bomb harder. What more do you want me to say?

Words cause bombs. Inflammation in a large public group causes terrorism. If you don't see that then you weren't an educated adult for the last 20 years.

Pissing off any large group in the world gets people killed. Bombs don't drop without words. Shit doesn't happen if nobody talks about it. These are first year polisci and first year Philo arguments. It is rare that a group jumps to deadly action unless they are antagonized. You act like antagonizing a 1+ billion group of people is just fine and no big deal. That is insane, not me saying that words can cause more harm than bombs. You can't look at things holistically, instead you cherry pick and ignore what you can't argue.

You call me insane while ignoring a significant portion of my arguments. Broad strokes or concise thinking? I wonder which is better? Actually I don't. I know which is better.

The article I posted says exactly what I'm saying. Trumps rhetoric helps them not us. Read it again simpleton.

If this was econ you are thinking micro about macro. It doesn't work.

No wonder you like Trump.

Also. I said sometimes words are worse. Not always. Words from people in power hold more weight than words from you or me. Listen to what is said. You knee jerk so hard MY knees hurt.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 08:50 AM

You said we have a history of not excluding people based on religion, which shows that you have no clue about the history of immigration in this country.  You may have read some books, but it seems like you didnt learn or retain a thing.  Immigration was very exclusionary in this country based on race/religion until very recent times (1990).
 
Multiculturalism has been a horrible failure around the western world.  It encourages immigrants to not integrate into the culture of their new country.   Evidence of that is the vast muslim slums in Europe, where integration has not happened.
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The term "melting pot" is pretty much directly opposed to multiculturalism.  "Melting Pot" describes integration into society, blending different cultures into one whole which is a good thing and what we used to have.  Multiculturalism describes maintaining many separate and distinct cultures inside a nation, which has been shown to cause distrust, ethnic conflict and generational poverty.  With that in mind, go read your last paragraph and realize that it makes absolutely no sense at all.
 
I got a good laugh at you calling me a xenophobe.  My wife was not born in this country and is of a different race then me.

You are quibbling about semantics.

Once again your oversimplification of my arguments makes no sense. Want to quibble? I said that we SHOULD not be exclusionary. Not that we have not been. I need to type in caps so that you will listen. Multiculturalism occurs during the generational gap that I spoke of when taking about integration. Your argument is moot because you didn't even listen. I even explained that you are just summarizing in your head and you just proved it even more.

Oh and btw. You being married to a foreign person doesn't mean shit when your words are xenophobic. It actually makes your words that much worse. I don't know her nationality and I don't really care. It is not related to what I said. Your words make you xenophobic, not who you choose to spend your life with. If I have a black friend does that automatically make my words not racist? If I have a Muslim family member does that absolve me of all words I say against Muslims? No. That is the type of argument a middle schooler makes.

Go ahead and ignore the base of what is said and use your reductive arguments. It only shows that you are a fool that is incapable of abstract thinking. You are using idiotic arguments when you are equating the state of Europe with the situation in the US and then extrapolating this thinking to a broader world view.

Keep cherry picking and glossing over specific arguments that are not easy for you to deal with.

People like you scare me because you are smart enough to shout down someone who doesn't agree, but so stupid that you can't pull yourself out of your silly personal world long enough to listen to another person's thoughts.

You ignored most of my post and harped on a small statement. Hmmmmm.

I admit my wrongs. You just pass over what you don't like and fuck the rest. It is typical of your ilk. Have a good time in your little bubble. It's going to pop when your boy gets in and fucks up everything.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 11:44 AM

Wow, you sure got mad quick.  Sorry that I offended you when I pointed out how wrong you were on multiple occasions.  If you dont want to look like an idiot, use your search bar up there on the top of your browser and check your facts before you post.  I can poke some more holes into your last two posts (mostly teary eyed lamentations that I didnt understand you, you've abandoned any attempt to prove your confused initial point "Trump will get us into a war quick"), but you'll just say I'm misconstruing you or cherry picking or whatever crybaby defense you may try to come up with.  If you struggle to make a coherent argument based on belief rather then fact you cant get mad when someone picks it apart. 


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 12:19 PM

Wow, you sure got mad quick.  Sorry that I offended you when I pointed out how wrong you were on multiple occasions.  If you dont want to look like an idiot, use your search bar up there on the top of your browser and check your facts before you post.  I can poke some more holes into your last two posts (mostly teary eyed lamentations that I didnt understand you, you've abandoned any attempt to prove your confused initial point "Trump will get us into a war quick"), but you'll just say I'm misconstruing you or cherry picking or whatever crybaby defense you may try to come up with.  If you struggle to make a coherent argument based on belief rather then fact you cant get mad when someone picks it apart. 

 

Lol, totally agree.

 

 

By the way Trump will bomb harder?? might be true, but ISIS NEED to be bombed harder, and not with words like Barry is doing right now, by far the worst administration in history of USA, on par with the BUSH Jr administration, Killary Clinton will  keep carry the banner of these poor administration, really subpar  in both the foreign relations aspect and internal policy too.


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#85 GiankaBonghi

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 12:22 PM

The president is really just a face to the nation. They really can't do much without a vote saying they can. Trump is a great businessman and Clinton has some knowledge of what it's like to be in office from her husband. Im not really into politics like i should but ill take Hilary over Trump just because experience.

Please no, it doesnt  work like that really, are you seriously going to vote Hillary just because she is the wife of Bill ?? comeon.


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 01:12 PM

 

Lol, totally agree.

 

 

By the way Trump will bomb harder?? might be true, but ISIS NEED to be bombed harder, and not with words like Barry is doing right now, by far the worst administration in history of USA, on par with the BUSH Jr administration, Killary Clinton will  keep carry the banner of these poor administration, really subpar  in both the foreign relations aspect and internal policy too.

My solution would be bomb not at all.  Let Russia handle it.  Playing empire/world police is too costly and counter productive. 


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 02:46 PM


Please no, it doesnt  work like that really, are you seriously going to vote Hillary just because she is the wife of Bill ?? comeon.

It sounds like you don't want her to be president because she's a woman. A first lady is more than just a wife. They are in the middle of everything probably more than the vice president. Even when it was kings and queens. The queen was more than just a wife.
If im not wrong i thought it took a vote by the senate or congress to really do anything.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 05:39 PM

My solution would be bomb not at all.  Let Russia handle it.  Playing empire/world police is too costly and counter productive. 


At least we can agree on that.

You called me insane. I responded. Political discourse is another foundation here. While I think your worldview is skewed, you feel the same about me. Thanks for the discussion.

Have a happy 4th.

Ps. Gianka. Shut up and let adults speak. You don't have shit to say about this.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 05:46 PM

Wow, you sure got mad quick.  Sorry that I offended you when I pointed out how wrong you were on multiple occasions.  If you dont want to look like an idiot, use your search bar up there on the top of your browser and check your facts before you post.  I can poke some more holes into your last two posts (mostly teary eyed lamentations that I didnt understand you, you've abandoned any attempt to prove your confused initial point "Trump will get us into a war quick"), but you'll just say I'm misconstruing you or cherry picking or whatever crybaby defense you may try to come up with.  If you struggle to make a coherent argument based on belief rather then fact you cant get mad when someone picks it apart. 


You keep calling me names and belittling instead of responding. It's ok. I'm a teary eyed guy. Lol. This is schoolyard bully trick #1. Just attack someone's character instead of what they say. I know because I used to be the bully.

Actually you picked one or two paragraphs and ignored the rest. I am not stating anything that hasn't been said by people who know a lot more than we do. You've made up your mind instead of listening and responding. It's cool. We're done. You think I'm a child and I think you're one.

Again. Have a great 4th and I hope you have a long and happy life.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 06:52 PM

You keep calling me names and belittling instead of responding. It's ok. I'm a teary eyed guy. Lol. This is schoolyard bully trick #1. Just attack someone's character instead of what they say. I know because I used to be the bully.

Actually you picked one or two paragraphs and ignored the rest. I am not stating anything that hasn't been said by people who know a lot more than we do. You've made up your mind instead of listening and responding. It's cool. We're done. You think I'm a child and I think you're one.

Again. Have a great 4th and I hope you have a long and happy life.

You were the first one to start tossing insults.  Post #76.  I looked back and can't really even find where I called you a name at all.  Closest I can find is the "It's ridiculous to say that words are worse than bombs.  No sane person can possibly make that statement, let alone write a long diatribe on it."  Which I stand by.  Bombs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>words in the bad range.

 

I feel like you are talking about yourself in the latter half of your post here.  I was able to back up anything I said pretty easily.  The nonsense you spewed was easily rebutted and I showed that you really have no idea what you are talking about.  I actually did you a favor and didnt even attempt to make a rebuttal to the more incoherent arguments you put forth.  If you care to try and summarize them and maybe have them make sense this time, I'll take a look.


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#91 GiankaBonghi

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 08:53 PM

It sounds like you don't want her to be president because she's a woman.

And you came to that conclusion, because...???

 

This is starting to get ridicolous and boring,  the most embarassing excuses and finger pointing  come from the Clinton supporters.

 

" You vote for Trump because you are filthy rich"

 

"You vote for Trump , well because racism, what else??!!!!"

 

"You vote Trump because you are a trailer park redneck!111111111"

 

And last but not least:  " You vote Trump because you dont want to see women as Presidents "  this last ridicolous shit goes on par with " You didnt voted Obama back then because you dont want to see negroes as Presidents!!111"

 

Jesus K rist. (Scully citation)

 

This resemble more or less the  same talking shit about Brexit result " You voted Leave because you are racist ofcourse mate pal  oookey bibbidiboppidi"


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 08:56 PM

My solution would be bomb not at all.  Let Russia handle it.  Playing empire/world police is too costly and counter productive. 

If you really want to let Russia handle it ,which would be perfectly fine as long "we" westerners dont spend a dime, you should also tell your next President to both stop sanctioning Russia and stop supporting the Saudi sponsored "freedom" fighters in Syria, just like you did in Afghanistan in the 80's.


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Posted 04 July 2016 - 09:21 PM

And you came to that conclusion, because...???
 
This is starting to get ridicolous and boring,  the most embarassing excuses and finger pointing  come from the Clinton supporters.
 
" You vote for Trump because you are filthy rich"
 
"You vote for Trump , well because racism, what else??!!!!"
 
"You vote Trump because you are a trailer park redneck!111111111"
 
And last but not least:  " You vote Trump because you dont want to see women as Presidents "  this last ridicolous shit goes on par with " You didnt voted Obama back then because you dont want to see negroes as Presidents!!111"
 
Jesus K rist. (Scully citation)
 
This resemble more or less the  same talking shit about Brexit result " You voted Leave because you are racist ofcourse mate pal  oookey bibbidiboppidi"

Dude chill out she wouldn't be running unless she was qualified that goes for Trump as well they both have good and bad qualities just depend on your vuews as well. You saying she was just the wife of bill is really ignorant. I dont care race religion or gender it can be a transgender for all i care as long as they are what is best for the country as a whole.
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#94 GiankaBonghi

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 10:04 PM

. You saying she was just the wife of bill is really ignorant.

Are you trolling or just fooling around...seriously i dont even, or just running out of argument like the other Clinton cheerleader?

 

 

now it Was ME that said that?  lol the fuck??!!

 

Dude read again what the hell you wrote before.

 

You just claimed Hillary Clinton will be a good president because she is the wife of Bill Clinton.

 

Did you just realized what you said or not?? please tell me so i can stop arguing with you.


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Posted 05 July 2016 - 03:12 AM

Are you trolling or just fooling around...seriously i dont even, or just running out of argument like the other Clinton cheerleader?
 
 
now it Was ME that said that?  lol the fuck??!!
 
Dude read again what the hell you wrote before.
 
You just claimed Hillary Clinton will be a good president because she is the wife of Bill Clinton.
 
Did you just realized what you said or not?? please tell me so i can stop arguing with you.

Bro you said that or naw. It don't matter fyi im not voting for either one so my opinion isn't biased.
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Posted 05 July 2016 - 11:21 AM

. Trump is a great businessman and Clinton has some knowledge of what it's like to be in office from her husband. .

 

Well just to clarify what i was talking about,  i was referring to what you said in the quote.

 

Pardon me if i said you were going to "vote for her" as i misunderstood, but still you said she  should have some sort of knowledge  just because of her husband, well i can assure you Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate EVER.


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Posted 05 July 2016 - 02:59 PM

Well just to clarify what i was talking about,  i was referring to what you said in the quote.
 
Pardon me if i said you were going to "vote for her" as i misunderstood, but still you said she  should have some sort of knowledge  just because of her husband, well i can assure you Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate EVER.

How can she be the worst sounds biased to me. Trump has no experience at all. Whose to say hilary didnt help her husband out. Dont know if your married but the wife is almost always involved in sone way. Trump is really only a good businessman anything else is up for grabs.
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Posted 05 July 2016 - 05:57 PM

You have a very simplified ad naive view of life and the world(and the candidates), if you think it work that way.


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Posted 06 July 2016 - 07:39 PM

No amount of arguing which candidate is worse than the other is ever going to change the fact that they are both horrible candidates and neither of them will make a good president. It's an embarrassment to our country that the two "top" candidates are these two pieces of shit. I don't care which is worse, I will be voting for someone else who isn't going to win.


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Posted 06 July 2016 - 08:44 PM

No amount of arguing which candidate is worse than the other is ever going to change the fact that they are both horrible candidates and neither of them will make a good president. It's an embarrassment to our country that the two "top" candidates are these two pieces of shit. I don't care which is worse, I will be voting for someone else who isn't going to win.

 

I think that is the worst thing you can do, yes  you are right the yare both shit but you have to vote one of them, thats your duty and most importantly, yes i know that im european and i shouldnt be concerned, but the reality is that we europeans are even more concerned than some americans.

 

Ever played  The Witcher??? choose the lesser evil mate.


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