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#1 XxxtremeT13

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Posted 03 August 2019 - 11:28 PM

So...This all revolves around takedowns

 

When standing higher takedown Offense, speed and of course wrestling improves your chances of landing a takedown (not factoring in the opponents skill sets)

 

When in the clinch higher strength, clinch and wrestling improve your control of the clinch itself and then MT adds to this, but also determines how successful landing strikes in clinch is (I believe that's how that works)

 

Now, when in the clinch how much does takedown offense play into landing a takedown in clinch, is it the same as staying on the outside and shooting for a takedown or is it slightly less with more importance around strength and maybe speed?

 

I'm just trying to determine how much a role is played in securing a takedown from clinch based on takedown offense, wrestling, speed, strength, MT...etc?


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#2 imcool

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 08:44 PM

So...This all revolves around takedowns

 

When standing higher takedown Offense, speed and of course wrestling improves your chances of landing a takedown (not factoring in the opponents skill sets)

 

When in the clinch higher strength, clinch and wrestling improve your control of the clinch itself and then MT adds to this, but also determines how successful landing strikes in clinch is (I believe that's how that works)

 

Now, when in the clinch how much does takedown offense play into landing a takedown in clinch, is it the same as staying on the outside and shooting for a takedown or is it slightly less with more importance around strength and maybe speed?

 

I'm just trying to determine how much a role is played in securing a takedown from clinch based on takedown offense, wrestling, speed, strength, MT...etc?

Not at all :)


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#3 Monsieur.Camara

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 10:06 PM

Pretty sure agility is key from clinch. TJ taught me this but my memory fails me.

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#4 XxxtremeT13

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 10:58 PM

So...If takedown offense has no role in securing a takedown from clinch, then it is solely based on the level of strength, clinchwork and wrestling skill? Is the same to be said of defending from a takedown in clinch or does takedown defense play a role in this case?


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#5 imcool

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 02:29 AM

So...If takedown offense has no role in securing a takedown from clinch, then it is solely based on the level of strength, clinchwork and wrestling skill? Is the same to be said of defending from a takedown in clinch or does takedown defense play a role in this case?

If I'm not mistaken, both offensive and defensive takedowns in the clinch are based on the 3 skills you mentioned.


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#6 Bwang

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:31 PM

Takedown and takedown defence secondaries apply in and out of clinch. Until Mike introduces his long planned clinch takedown skills.
Pull guard is bjj (and physicals).
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#7 imcool

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:44 PM

Takedown and takedown defence secondaries apply in and out of clinch. Until Mike introduces his long planned clinch takedown skills.
Pull guard is bjj (and physicals).

Can you please reference where TD/TDD applying to clinch info is coming from?


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#8 actionjackson

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:46 PM

Can you please reference where TD/TDD applying to clinch info is coming from?

 

Was unsure myself but I see it in the wiki now: http://www.mmatycoon...=Fighter_skills


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#9 imcool

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:53 PM

 

Was unsure myself but I see it in the wiki now: http://www.mmatycoon...=Fighter_skills

Thanks, that's very interesting, but I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that info.  http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=280337 - has Feeble TD, pulls guard at 30% success rate against Elite level wrestlers w/ Elite TDD.  Something doesn't add up.


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#10 actionjackson

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:00 PM

Thanks, that's very interesting, but I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that info.  http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=280337 - has Feeble TD, pulls guard at 30% success rate against Elite level wrestlers w/ Elite TDD.  Something doesn't add up.

 

Perhaps pulling guard doesn't apply? I always thought BJJ, clinch and strength for pulling guard. Interesting info you provided as 30% is high considering the skills involved.


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#11 imcool

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:05 PM

 

Perhaps pulling guard doesn't apply? I always thought BJJ, clinch and strength for pulling guard. Interesting info you provided as 30% is high considering the skills involved.

Ye, I completely forgot that pull guard inside the clinch isn't the only way to go to the ground, but you can do takedowns too.  Guess that makes sense then.


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#12 JakeF

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:44 PM

Alex ya noob, it is even written that pulling guard is BJJ and clinchwork. Delete acc asap
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#13 imcool

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 06:32 PM

Alex ya noob, it is even written that pulling guard is BJJ and clinchwork. Delete acc asap

Put in a request, waiting to get deleted.  Good thing I have 10 brothers and sisters still playing.


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