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#1 Goatacre

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

I was just looking over the fighter hall of fame - it's amazing that Golden Glory is still the highest ID fighter to have made it to top spot, and even that achievement was, in part at least, owed to the game engine at the time (i.e. the counter issue).

Golden Glory has an ID of 86108, Victor Creed is 83315 and then there's quite a jump to Pasi Kullero at 63532. The current number 1, Otso Jokinen, comes in as next "youngest" with 62968.

Given we're now up to ID range of over 207k, it's a sure sign that the demise of older fighters is a long overdue change, so that will be great when the current development work that Mike is working on is completed.

For instance, the IDs of the current P4P top ten are:

Jokinen 62968
Creed 83315
Moses Diggs 73449
The Dos Equis Guy 96983
Matt Murdock 86168
Taj al Din 76481
Kim Hoo Lee Chit - irrelevant as he's a QFC fighter
Emeka Shakur 70663
J Breaker 29365
Don Marciano 70356
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#2 EzekelRAGE

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

I dont disagree with you on your piece about older fighters washing out. The fact that training changes happened around that time as well played a part. Those fighters only had to deal with maintenance for the most part, since skillwise they were probably monsters (Im assumin). While the younger generation that wouldve "dethroned" those guys had to deal with the learning nerf/age nerf/maintenance etc. So it's gonna take them slightly longer to reach them.
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#3 Goatacre

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

On a slightly related note, why isn't Fidel Puno in the hall of fame? Is it because he lost the retirement fight with Bubba, and the forced retirement wiped his highest rank record? (It shows a highest rank of 0?!)
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

You have some nice up and coming fighters atm who will be able to challenge this year. Guys like

http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=129313 Ricardo Gracie

http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=125922 Budo Rei

Those two are close the now. In ID orgs you have guys like

http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=169721 Antonio Carlos Ferreira

http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=167187 Scotty Bennet

I know they are plenty more but those 2 are really the only two bar my own that i follow. Training time has made it needing near enough a year of training time before you fight. They will never be another Golden Glory.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:14 PM

Current state of the game has guys coming into their own in their mid-late 20s. Not sure if that's what you'd call a bad thing tbh.

Golden Glory was an amazing example of how broken the 100% counter era was -- height + counter = winning streak.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:18 PM

Yeah, 100 counter era was the only time I've been relevant in the slider game.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

Current state of the game has guys coming into their own in their mid-late 20s. Not sure if that's what you'd call a bad thing tbh.

Couldn't agree more. Fighters in their early 20s should not be anywhere near the top of their game yet.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

I know it's not quite #1 P4P, but Waru Kuzuri made it to #2 P4P at one point and he is 123850 (26 years old right now)

Budo Rei made it to #8 P4P at one point and he is 125922 (26 years old right now)

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

I was just looking over the fighter hall of fame - it's amazing that Golden Glory is still the highest ID fighter to have made it to top spot, and even that achievement was, in part at least, owed to the game engine at the time (i.e. the counter issue).

Golden Glory has an ID of 86108, Victor Creed is 83315 and then there's quite a jump to Pasi Kullero at 63532. The current number 1, Otso Jokinen, comes in as next "youngest" with 62968.

Given we're now up to ID range of over 207k, it's a sure sign that the demise of older fighters is a long overdue change, so that will be great when the current development work that Mike is working on is completed.


Most of the top 10 are between 28 and 30 years old. Whats wrong with that? The physical and mental prime of most athletes is between the ages of 27-32.
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#10 Goatacre

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

You have some nice up and coming fighters atm who will be able to challenge this year.


I thought you were about to start bigging up my fighters then ;)
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#11 Goatacre

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:35 PM

As for the age thing, I agree that fighters in the rough range 27-31 should be the guys at the top of their game. Obviously we'll see what Mike comes up with in his latest development but, given they've been trained from 18 in most cases, the majority of fighters should be declining in ability from 32. For most fighters that provides somewhere around 10 years in-game fighting time if they were a project, even longer in other cases.

The current top 10 (Ethan - I know you've had a couple close/in it who are quite a bit younger, I just happened to take a look today) includes one aged 34 and another aged 36. Regardless of the quality of their manager, they hopefully won't be sticking around right at the top for much longer when the changes are made.

It will always be a subjective matter where true consensus won't be possible - should a fighter in their "early 20s" be able to make it to the top? I agree that Golden Glory was, however good he might actually have been, the beneficiary of a peculiar set of circumstances and we shouldn't see a 21 year old make it to the top again in the future. However, I don't see a problem with a fighter making it there are 25, possibly even 24. We all say that actually as the fighters become more highly skilled then the relative difference in skill levels becomes proportionately less, and therefore supposing they have high quality hiddens then there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't or shouldn't be able to make it. It would be a rare occurrence, definitely, but that's how it has been in real life - the obvious example is Jon Jones, who won the LHW title at 23.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

My only current young buck who is close to sniffing the top of the heap is Anthony Ace Ventura, primary wise he isn't there, but he is 10th in NY for MW's and is currently 588 p4p. He is 24 yo's currently fighting in an ID restricted org, tickers just kicked in for him unfortunately though.

http://www.mmatycoon....php?FID=151485 His boxing primary is the only thing that really needs work right now, he has all the other skills to get there. Hidden wise I am not as sure of him.


Kuzuri is probably one of the very best of his generation of fighters.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:13 PM

I think Creed must have been 25 or 26 when he hit #1. Lance or someone with a better memory could give us an exact age. Fighters who get to that elite level in their early 20's in real life/modern mma are guys who have a decided physical advantage, this game really can't let us simulate that.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

My only current young buck who is close to sniffing the top of the heap is Anthony Ace Ventura, primary wise he isn't there, but he is 10th in NY for MW's and is currently 588 p4p. He is 24 yo's currently fighting in an ID restricted org, tickers just kicked in for him unfortunately though.

http://www.mmatycoon....php?FID=151485 His boxing primary is the only thing that really needs work right now, he has all the other skills to get there. Hidden wise I am not as sure of him.

Bennet just got his tickers too. At 22 he is at 75.9%. He has more skill than my 32 year old High Voltage at 75.3%.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:30 PM

Bennet just got his tickers too. At 22 he is at 75.9%. He has more skill than my 32 year old High Voltage at 75.3%.


Particularly given he's thought 13 times, that's extremely impressive. My guy, Viv Richards, who's very close in ID to Bennet (it bothers me there's only one 't' in his name! :) ) is at 78.1% but has only fought once!
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

Particularly given he's thought 13 times, that's extremely impressive. My guy, Viv Richards, who's very close in ID to Bennet (it bothers me there's only one 't' in his name! :) ) is at 78.1% but has only fought once!

Lots of quick KO wins. There were more than a few times when he only missed a session or two of training. His 9th fight was the first to get out of the first round.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:50 AM

Big fan of that guy at number 4. Completely unrelated to the topic but I've never once in my 3+ years gushed about one of my fighters. Figured it was about time I gushed a little bit about Dos Equis.
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#18 Erik

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

The current top 10 (Ethan - I know you've had a couple close/in it who are quite a bit younger, I just happened to take a look today) includes one aged 34 and another aged 36. Regardless of the quality of their manager, they hopefully won't be sticking around right at the top for much longer when the changes are made.


Anderson Silva and Dan Henderson are 37 and 42 respectively, Couture was also competitive in his early 40s and Lindland remained a top MW into his late 30s. Certain styles and certain fighters age better than others.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

Anderson Silva and Dan Henderson are 37 and 42 respectively, Couture was also competitive in his early 40s and Lindland remained a top MW into his late 30s. Certain styles and certain fighters age better than others.


As I said, we'll never have everyone agreeing. Thankfully it seems Mike is also of the opinion that these sorts of ages are too high for the viability of the game (it's an area where realism needs to take a little more of a backseat, in myview).

Besides, Henderson is pumped up on TRT, which will surely be made illegal in future generations (although that is only since 2007, I believe, so he was an old fighter already obviously). As has pointed out above, there is a legitimate reason why real-life fighters are potentially able to hit the top at a younger age than they can in-game and so it's not unreasonable that real-life allows for the freak athletes to remain near the top at an age that should exceed what is possible in the game.
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#20 xanax

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

Jeremy Horn is what... 89-21-5?@
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