Check this anti gun bullshit out.

[TJMitchell]

The first pic didn't load so I don't know what it is or the difference between the two. Alright, high powered was wrong of me but why semi-automatic? I still don't understand the need for one. You don't need one for self-defense. You don't need one for hunting. What do you need one for?

 

 

Edit: I see you posted a pic in here of your guns, i assume. What do you need them for? What do you need that many for?

[TJMitchell]

What would a semi-automatic rifle achieve that a bolt action wouldn't? Why not a revolver for self defense instead of a rifle?

[Trump2020]

What would a semi-automatic rifle achieve that a bolt action wouldn't? Why not a revolver for self defense instead of a rifle?

 

Well as they think you cant protect yourself with a revolver against the goverment. I think the big talking point about why they are needed is not for self defence but for defence against goverment. As they say Stalin took guns Hitler took guns and Mao took guns so we aint giving up on them.

[GBK16]

I had a bit of leniency to PBR's case previously, but comparing Guns to Vehicles is ridiculous.

[Rei]

M U H F R E E D U M S

[PBR]

I had a bit of leniency to PBR's case previously, but comparing Guns to Vehicles is ridiculous.

im comparing the outcry not really the two -- not one word ever mentioned about anything when vehicles are used, such as why you need to rent this large vehicle or anything to the effect, background check or even driving history anything -- but let it be a gun and first thing is ban ban but nothing on how to prevent vehicle usage -- why not the same outcry for the same effect?

 

 

also its another case of government not doing their job -- he purchased the gun himself from a sporting goods store -- yet lots of government crys more background more this and that but yet it's their fault he purchased it cause they didn't do their job yet they cry for more -- again they dont do their job but lawful citizens are the ones threatened by losing right cause of governments fuck up and mistake

[TJMitchell]

im comparing the outcry not really the two -- not one word ever mentioned about anything when vehicles are used, such as why you need to rent this large vehicle or anything to the effect, background check or even driving history anything -- but let it be a gun and first thing is ban ban but nothing on how to prevent vehicle usage -- why not the same outcry for the same effect?

 

 

also its another case of government not doing their job -- he purchased the gun himself from a sporting goods store -- yet lots of government crys more background more this and that but yet it's their fault he purchased it cause they didn't do their job yet they cry for more -- again they dont do their job but lawful citizens are the ones threatened by losing right cause of governments fuck up and mistake

 

There is almost no point in discussing this with you if you honestly believe guns and vans/trucks are comparable. You're too far gone.

[TJMitchell]

@PBR - What do you need semi automatic rifles for? What do you need that many semi automatic rifles for?

[Mannetosen]

masturbating to them, obviously.

 

i find the whole '2nd amendment right to bear arms in case we need to pull off an armed revolution' spiel to be incredibly disconcerting tbh. like i cant even imagine living in a country where fucking civil war is treated as something you need to prep extensively for. it sounds severely fucked up and id probably move someplace else if i felt like that.

[Timqwe]

masturbating to them, obviously.

 

i find the whole '2nd amendment right to bear arms in case we need to pull off an armed revolution' spiel to be incredibly disconcerting tbh. like i cant even imagine living in a country where fucking civil war is treated as something you need to prep extensively for. it sounds severely fucked up and id probably move someplace else if i felt like that.

Not to mention a completly irrational thought against a government that has drones, fighter jets and nukes

[itakebrides]

Not to mention a completly irrational thought against a government that has drones, fighter jets and nukes

so true it not like when the constitution was wrote when civilians and the military had excess to the same armament.Today it not even close .The government can take you out at anytime and all then AR-15 u have ain't going to do shit Image trying to storm Norad or the pentagon with a bunch of gunnuts and see what the outcome will be

[bjornmma1]

im comparing the outcry not really the two -- not one word ever mentioned about anything when vehicles are used, such as why you need to rent this large vehicle or anything to the effect, background check or even driving history anything -- but let it be a gun and first thing is ban ban but nothing on how to prevent vehicle usage -- why not the same outcry for the same effect?

 

 

also its another case of government not doing their job -- he purchased the gun himself from a sporting goods store -- yet lots of government crys more background more this and that but yet it's their fault he purchased it cause they didn't do their job yet they cry for more -- again they dont do their job but lawful citizens are the ones threatened by losing right cause of governments fuck up and mistake

So you believe that rules to get a rental car should be as strict as rules to purchase a gun??

A car is for driving, a gun is for shooting...!

 

If anything, the regulations concerning guns are far from strict enough. There are millions of people with guns that have no need for it and society would be better of without it.

I have been in the military and am happy that in my country it is not easy to buy a gun as a civilian. I really don`t want to imagine living in a country where nearly everyone has free access to guns, it would really stress me out.

[PBR]

Not to mention a completly irrational thought against a government that has drones, fighter jets and nukes

the government has nothing they cant do anything with drones, jets or nukes --- i promise you the army will stand by the citizens -- most of all police force done said if it came to going and confiscating weapons from legal citizens they would not do it and neither would the army or other armed forces they would stand with the citizens

[PBR]

masturbating to them, obviously.

 

 

yea feels so goooooooddd -- lol

[Trump2020]

the government has nothing they cant do anything with drones, jets or nukes --- i promise you the army will stand by the citizens -- most of all police force done said if it came to going and confiscating weapons from legal citizens they would not do it and neither would the army or other armed forces they would stand with the citizens

 

What would be the reason behind government doing something like that?

 

And you are not in a worry that for example laws like that could put weapons in the wrong citizen arms? For example like in Sweden at this point what is the second biggest crime country in the Europe after Ukraine where is a war and thats the main reason behind that. People who and lets be clear here for a second are immigrants doing all these crimes could get guns and start their own for example Islamic State fraction there and really would have a chance as you said against the government. Basically what I am trying to say dont you think that regular citizen is not dumber than a government official when it comes down to these things?

[Timqwe]

the government has nothing they cant do anything with drones, jets or nukes --- i promise you the army will stand by the citizens -- most of all police force done said if it came to going and confiscating weapons from legal citizens they would not do it and neither would the army or other armed forces they would stand with the citizens

The army will stand by his citizens? Based on what exactly?

[Guest]

the government has nothing they cant do anything with drones, jets or nukes --- i promise you the army will stand by the citizens -- most of all police force done said if it came to going and confiscating weapons from legal citizens they would not do it and neither would the army or other armed forces they would stand with the citizens

 

If the army and police would standby the american citizens, why does the average mouth breathing joe like you need a gun then? You got the military on your side. Or was your point that the only reason they would be on the citizens side because you all have guns and they wouldn't want to fuck with you for that reason lol?

 

 

So the govt is not to be feared...

[Guest]

the government has nothing they cant do anything with drones, jets or nukes --- i promise you the army will stand by the citizens -- most of all police force done said if it came to going and confiscating weapons from legal citizens they would not do it and neither would the army or other armed forces they would stand with the citizens

 

Unfortunately most will follow orders and do as they are told. History says if you believe anything else is simply naïve. These are just a handful of times agents of the state used violence against its citizens.

 

Whiskey Rebellion

Bonus Army

Battle of Blair Mountain

Executive Order 9066 Internment of Japanese Americans

Little Rock Nine

Kent State shootings

Hurricane Katrina- Confiscation of civilian firearms

The Waco Massacre where 26 children were killed

1967 Newark riots

The American Indian Holocaust

[Mannetosen]

Every military coup in modern history, the overwhelming amount of cops supporting totalitarian politicians (Germany, Greece etc), and so on and so forth.

 

I think you're really naive if you think the armed forces are gonna support Billy Redneck over the guys paying their mortgage, who have brainwashed them into killing on command.

[aylib]

Govt in places like the US fucks their citizens softly, with vaseline, so that the good old folks don't even know it. Just look at the politicians in the office, who somehow get the votes--somehow those poor souls think that the politicians somehow benefit and look out for them.

 

These politicians would not use brute force against the entire populace. The sheep would never get to use their ARs against their shepherds.

[Trump2020]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norcal-elementary-school-shooting-20171114-story.html

[Guest]

Govt in places like the US fucks their citizens softly, with vaseline, so that the good old folks don't even know it. Just look at the politicians in the office, who somehow get the votes--somehow those poor souls think that the politicians somehow benefit and look out for them.

 

These politicians would not use brute force against the entire populace. The sheep would never get to use their ARs against their shepherds.

 

 

Agreed and with that I present a George Carlin quote

"By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white-collar, blue-collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich c*ck suckers who don’t give a f*ck about you….they don’t give a f*ck about you… they don’t give a F*CK about you.

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue d*ck thats being jammed up their as*holes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth.

It's called the American Dream,because you have to be asleep to believe it."

[Rambo]

The United States of America was founded on armed revolution. It made a shit ton of sense to allow the people to own and possess firearms when the constitution was formed, with the founders understanding the inevitable corruption and oppression governments historically imposed on the populace.

 

The philosophy behind the people's "right to bare arms" makes a fuck ton of sense. It really does. Maybe not in our predominantly 'white', evolved, protected, and prosperous societies... but it makes a ton of sense. At the same time, it's baffling in modern society that it's easier to purchase a firearm than it is to get a drivers license. That's just common sense, they needed to make it more difficult a long time ago and at this point it's way too late to go back.

 

There are pro's and cons for both sides of the argument. Really just matters what side of the fence you want to stand on. Unfortunately every positive can easily be countered with a negative.

 

"we can protect ourselves from invaders"

 

invaders can have guns too. multiple.

 

"women can defend themselves"

 

attacker(s) can have firearms.

 

The evolution of these weapons are far superior than our ancestors, very efficient killing machines. However, until you've actually been in the situation where a gun saved your life or saved a friends life, you have zero appreciation of the weapons.

 

 

 

Grew up in a different environment than most. I owned guns long before I could legally own them. I truly wish I was the only person in the world that owned guns lol. I wouldn't have to worry about other people shooting me. Whether other countries like it or not, that's a very real fucking possibility in America, and it increases depending on what demographic region / area you live in. Honestly would have NO issue what so ever if they were banned and I would go back to owning them illegally. As long as humans have guns (be it government or police officers) I will want to have them. Better to have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have it. and until you've been in that situation, you have no fucking clue and you shouldn't judge somebody else because they want to own guns.

 

 

I don't feel like I "have a right to own guns" but I will and always will. most effective method of self-defense AND killing.

 

 

common sense tells you people can't be trusted with weapons. but if we resort to that, we go back to a primitive society with the mob mentality and strength in numbers rule the land. people shouldn't have guns. just like people shouldn't have nukes, but humanity is what it is.

 

 

 

rushed this, gotta go. might come back to this later but you could debate this til your face turns blue and nobody is right on the matter.

[PBR]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norcal-elementary-school-shooting-20171114-story.html

cali the strongest gun control state their is -- also only allowed 10rd mags in cali -- another thing not mentioned was convicted felon so another one that shouldnt own a gun but the government again dropped the ball -- but yet they cry for more checks and balances but yet dont do their job now

[Rambo]

Kill some, save many. Kill many, save some. Kill and Save many?

 

 

The majority of the population are border line retarded, and also keep in mind when comparing America to other countries that the USA has the 3rd highest population in the world at around 4.5% of the global population. Most countries don't even have 1%.

 

 

As an individual I feel entitled to own a gun. Just as entitled as I feel to own a sword, a fork, a knife, a car, a dog, a baseball bat, a candle stick, a lamp... it's not the item that kills, it's the person behind it. Do guns make it easier? For many it does, it also allows many others to protect themselves at another level of protection they couldn't have without it.

 

 

 

 

If you would of had a gun you could of prevented that.

 

 

You might be okay with the scars and the jaw dislocating when you eat, but it doesn't mean that everybody should just suck it up and take one on the chin when a group of assholes wants to jump one person. You shoot/kill/hurt/scare them, they might not ever try to jump somebody again if they lived through the experience.

 

 

I agree with this for the most part, but they should do background checks more thoroughly and profile. Mental/psychological evaluation should be required as well but none of that stops the "black market" or the sale of guns (inlcuding legal bills of sale to non-felons) on the streets. Legal or illegal, guns will be a part of our daily existence til people forget how to build them. At least people with guns legally are on equal playing ground with the people who will always possess them illegally.

 

Anybody in the world can pull a trigger. Man, woman, or child. There's pro's and cons to this. Not everybody can take down a larger, faster, stronger assailant with a knife, bat, club, or bottle of mace.

 

 

 

It's safe to assume that people have been killing each other before we could verbally communicate. Fist, teeth, rock, stick, stone, club, bone, sharp inanimate object, rope, clothe, sword, cannon, bomb, grenade, or guns... people will continue to kill each other. We're the most self-destructive 'parasite' to this planet; the more our population grows, the.more we fuck shit up. Like it or not it appears that it's in most of our DNA to destroy. Be it the planet or each other. Taking away guns doesn't change that, it might make it a bit more difficult. Eradicate the majority of the population and start from scratch and we'll still kill each other. Humans have and always will be genocidal. Think about how bloody and gruesome the world was throughout history. Hundreds of thousands of men, women, or children with swords, blades, axes, spikes, spears, whatever have you, bum rushing each other hacking and slashing away. People died on a mass level - much more massive than people die in today's wars which include an evolution of weapons. War will always exist until our exstinction, in some way, shape, or form.

 

 

 

Self defense is a viable argument. So are the ones you presented.

 

You want to prevent Sandy Hook? Give every teacher a firearm (no reason they shouldn't considering it's a government-type job, and convicted felons don't teach) they'd be able to defend themself and their class. Is it a solution? No. Is there a solution? Absolutely not. People go crazy.

 

You ban guns and there will still be the once in a million occassional psychopath that goes on a rampage in his truck, with a sword, home made bomb, you name it. There will be the occassional trigger happy police officer going on a spree. There will be the serial rapist or pedophile who strangles his victims.

 

 

 

All it takes is one place at the wrong time. It could happen just about any where in the world, any neighborhood, any area. I have no objections to owning a firearm for protection. I think the majority of women (that are legally entitled to them) should own one because there's a rapist in every state, every country, and there's some really fucking creepy people out there. They might not be waiting around every corner to pounce, they might be spread out far and thin, but all it takes is one and one experience to change the course of her life forever. This really goes for just about anybody, given different circumstances.

 

 

 

Just make weed legal and allow it to grow on the side of the road and everywhere else naturally (it's a plant, produces oxygen) and I'd be willing to bet that the murder rate decreases significantly.

 

 

The big problem in the US are people. People are idiots. Guns, drugs, sex, violance, or rock & roll, people will continue to kill each other. Not all killers are criminals. Most serial killers aren't career criminals with a rap sheet.

 

Lui Pengli

Gilles de Rais

Thug Behram and the Thuggee cult of assassins

Jack The Ripper

Elizabeth Bathory

 

Hell even modernized: Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Hannibal Lecter... compared to these sick fucks, a lot of the people killing each other with guns are saints.

 

 

If you ask me it seems like people are the problem, and there's nothing that's going to change "people" except extinction. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is.

 

 

Not everybody in this world is physically capable of defending themself. Elderly, women, and even plenty of men are utterly defenseless against the majority of the population out there committing crimes. Rape, kidnapping, burglarys, home invasion, car-jacking, I don't even need to go on after rape. What the hell is a woman suppose to do against a large male assailant that wants to rape her? Lay down, get raped, and live to see another day. The damage done physically and especially pyschologically are perminant. Firearms save and protect a lot of innocent people.

The world used to be a place where the biggest baddest man ruled the land and could mount any woman, man, or child that he wanted. Weapons neutralized that or at least evened the playing field.

America is the one country in the world that isn't going to get invaded by another country, ever, til a massive collapse of our government. And if it did hasn't anybody ever seen the movie Red Dawn? lol

 

lol yeah I know, we've been back and forth on subjects like this. I feel the evolution of weapons and the fear of them is what keeps the majority of countries out of war. As for large scale genocide not being as simple as it is now, of course it wasn't because people were hacking each other to bits with dull blades and other random objects, but it never prevented it from happening... and I would rather be carpet bombed because I highly doubt these battles or Conquerors were anything less than barbaric, hacking and slashing and raping anything in their path on a much more massive level than todays wars.

 

Genghis Kahn

Alexander The Great

Augustus Caesar

Atilla the Hun

Tamerlane "Timur the Lame"

Cyrus The Great

Ashoka

Charlemagne, King of the Franks

Xerxes and the Persians

Amalekites and Midianites

Battle of Carthage

Ancient China

European Colonization of America

1804 Haiti Massacre

Tupac Amurai II

War of the Three Kingdoms (England, Ireland, Scotland)

African Holocaust

 

People kill people. End of story.

 

How do you ban guns? How do you ban cigerrettes?

 

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. There's a lot of things that are legal and illegal in the world that don't make sense.

 

Most of us, if not all of us checking this forum out, are men. We're attracted to an MMA game and MMA because we're prolly violent by nature. Most of us are more than capable of defending ourself. Women, Elderly? What the hell are the suppose to do? How do they defend themself against an attacker or prevent themself from being a victim of a crime? There's women out there that could have a 4 foot machete, a gallon of mace, and a taser that could bring down a cow, and still not protect themself from a group of men or a man. Guns are the evolution of weapons. Good or bad, there's nothing that's going to change that. Of course people are gonna use them to kill each other. People use broom sticks, bricks, candle sticks, forks, rocks, and thousands of other random objects to do it.

 

One of the, if not the most, traumatizing experiences a woman could go through. And I guess a man for that matter? What the hell is a woman suppose to do when a man attacks her? Train BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, and wrestling? The majority of women are practically defenseless to a mans assault.

 

I should be just as entitled to the most reliable use of self defense available, as any other man, woman, or child on this planet. Even if guns were banned, I would feel entitled to own one. Why? Because when it comes to self defense it's like Mannetosen said - it's like fighting with all the cheat codes activated which increases your survival rate.

 

Right or wrong is just a matter of perspective. There are no statistics that change this. everybody won't be on the same side of the fence on this subject, and they shouldn't have to be. If you don't feel like you need a firearm to protect yourself congratulations, and I'm happy for you.

You know there's countries that allow their parents to sell their children for sex as long as they pay taxes on the income they generate?

How about a religeous ban since religeon has been the root to more wars that have resulted in more deaths than we could fathom.

 

I don't think everybody should have a gun at all. I think there should be a tighter form of gun control than there is now. More extensive background check, psychological evaluation, etc. But you can't get rid of them entirely or you create an underworld like you did when they tried the alchohol prohibition... and saying that somebody using the "for protection" excuse to own a gun isn't a good one, isn't fair either because you don't know what circumstances or situations that individual has been through that has or would required a firearm for survival or to prevent them from becoming a victim. Never underestimate how crazy and dangerous people are or can get. We're by far the most dangerous mammal on this planet. You look at the majority of serial killers, and none of them used guns. Guns will always result in people's death, and some people will always think the world will be a better place without them, but history will tell you that it wasn't any less dangerous or safe without them.

 

 

Rape Rate per 100,000 population:

 

South Africa

Botswaba

Sweden

Nicaragua

Grenada

UK (England and Wales)

Saint Kitts and Nevis

Panama

Belgium

UK (Northern Ireland)

United States

 

 

You mentioned rapist so I gave you the order from highest to lowest rape rate per 100,000 people.

 

 

How do you expect a woman who lives by herself or is at home alone to defend against a rapist?

 

 

It's easy to argue against owning a gun when you never have been in a position where you've needed one. It's very easy and a subjective view. Of course the people who have been in those positions or know people who have, are pro-gun, and the people who haven't, who only get to see it for the violence when it reaches the news, are anti-gun.

 

Norway has very strict gun laws but that didn't stop Anders Breivik from getting one. You ban guns and the black market sky rockets. Ultimately it solves nothing. People will kill each other regardless. People will still get their hands on guns.

 

Most of you anti-gun just think "this is never going to happen to me" so you don't think you need one, and if you get clobbered over the head and your wife gets raped in front of you, you'll wish you had a gun. I'm sure you are familiar with the term "Better safe, than sorry". Guns protect women, elderly, and people in general. Your country defends you by with firearms. Why shouldn't you be entitled to one too? There isn't a better weapon to protect a woman outside of a handgun. And if their attacker has a gun I hope they shoot first.

 

Do I think any person should be able to go to the store and buy a gun? No. You should have to shoot it and have an educational course on day 1. Along with a psychological evaluation, background check, stuff along those lines. But a ban? It will never and should never happen.

 

 

That may be true but the statistics don't do the reality of the matter justice. They might "know each other" but it's like a neighbor who has spoken to the lady a few times who breaks into her house and rapes her when he knows she's home alone, or a regular at a bar who follows the girl home or catches her on the way to her car. Just because the victim knows the culprit doesn't mean they know who is attacking them. I'm gonna say it's very rare for a girl and a guy to be casually talking from the other side of the fence and then before the girl realizes it the guy jumps the gate and pounces on her like a lion on a gazelle.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEAKsaQOCpQ

 

 

Never answer the door of an unexpected guest without a gun in your hand or close by.

 

I also think a large percentage of rapes are break in related or kidnapped related. Not so much "I'm gonna knock on her door with no mask on so she recognizes me, and pounce on her when she opens it".

 

As for the American consitution and so forth. Our politics are fucking shitty at best (like most politics world-wide) and War Ron Paul. He's the only one who seems like they could restore it, or at least wants to, and stand by it.

 

 

I'll step out of this topic, it doesn't really go anywhere but back and forth.

 

 

It's not depressing at all. My life is quite comfortable and I'm a very happy person. I'm also protected. The difference between us is that I am more than aware of the sick things people are capable of. I think you underestimate people if you think that something like that isn't a possibility. Granted, the odds of it happening are slim to fucking none. But it's very possible.

 

http://en.wikipedia....mber_of_victims

http://en.wikipedia....lers_by_country

 

 

Peter Manuel, Fred & Rosemary West, Harold Shipman AKA Doctor Death, "the Yorkshire Ripper" Peter Sutcliffe, Stephen Akinmurele, Levi Bellfield, Patrick Mackay, Robert Napper, and the list goes on. What about Peter Moore and John Cooper - those names ring a bell? You should be familar with a lot of those names cuz they were just some of the many serial killers in the UK and Wales. The ones who have been caught. If you don't believe that there's a few more out there who haven't been caught yet, it's a bit naive. Cuz there is. There could be dozens of people like that. Maybe a hundred. There's people who get away with this type of shit their whole life. The problem with the world isn't guns, knives, weapons... it's people.

 

Do you think any of the following thought they were gonna be a victim?:

70+ victims of Gary Ridgway

35+ victims of Ted Bundy

30+ victims of John Wayne Gacy

60+ victims of Yang Xinhai

 

and it's pointless for me to keep listing serial killers and their kill count... How many of those people that they killed thought they were gonna be a victim? Even if we say 75% of them put themself in a position we'd never put ourselves in to be killed, if you accumulate all serial killer murders and add them together... there's thousands and thousands of people who wish they would of had a weapon to defend themself from their attacker.

 

Then you have countries like Norway who have gun control, but they let somebody like Arnfinn Nesset out after a decade or two in prison. Why somebody who kills over 100+ people is released from prison is beyond my comprehension.

 

And that's just touching the ground of serial killers. Do you know how many serial rapist there are out there? In 2007 in the UK at least 85,000 women were raped. 230 women a day.

 

Do you have children? You know how many more child molesters and pedophiles there are out there? The world around you might be safe but all it takes is one sick fuck or group of sick fuckers to shatter that concept of "safe" with some traumatizing event.

 

 

 

It's all fun and games til somebody gets mauled by a dog lol. If you, your wife, or children were ever in a position to get mauled by a dog or pack of dogs, you will wish that you were better protected.

 

 

 

According to Amnesty International statistics, 1 in 10 women in Norway are raped.

 

Never underestimate the amount of sick, dillusional, and mentally twisted people there are out there. I'd much rather people be safe than sorry. If that means the occassional psychopath has to unload on a few dozen children at a school for hundreds of thousands of people to remain protected on a daily basis, so be it. It's unfortunate and a really shitty circumstance to compare it to, but it's the truth.

 

 

I used the wikipedia lol. I just came here to edit my above post saying that my statistics came from the wiki so I don't know if they're 100% accurate. Regardless of rape victims, etc. I think there's a lot of great valid reasons to own a gun.

 

As for the bolded, I wouldn't argue that but it's an impossible task just like banning guns. Women would just give them to men. Banning guns is impossible here America. It won't happen... and it's not the guns that are the problem at all, it's the people. That's my whole point about everything. People are the problem. It's kind of similar to the arguement about pitbulls being dangerous and banning certain breeds of dogs. Rarely is it the dogs fault, it's the incompetent owners raising it.

 

 

...and locking your doors to your car and house is common fucking sense. It's not a matter of living in fear. I don't live in fear but I take plenty of precautions to prevent things. Whether you're in the safest place in the world, the most isolated place in the world, there's a lock on your front door for a reason, same goes for your car.

 

So a lot of this is me pretty much repeating myself, and you can't see the quotes I was replying to. I'm going to bold something, just because I want to point out that I've always felt like it's pretty much common fucking sense that getting a firearm should be more difficult than getting a drivers license.

 

Guns are killing machines. Be it for murder, self defense, or hunting (animal murder lol...) there is absolutely no denying it.

Then people frequently bring up, "why do you need an AK47 or assault rifle?" and my point would be to even the playing field against strength vs numbers. probably ask, when the fuck would you ever need to do that? idk, post apocalypse scenarios, or situations occurring after natural disasters, when power grids are off.. etc...

 

natural disasters - when power grids are knocked down and resources are thin for long periods of time (think Hurricane Katrina), and there's 20+ (even small numbers with 4-8) people running around the neighborhood breaking into everything, stealing everything, looting shit, raping, etc... a pistol just isn't gonna do it Chuck Norris. You need to mow down a crowd of people (however unlikely the scenario may be) you're gonna need an assault rife.

 

 

 

 

Again, guns are killing machines. People are killing machines. Guns are definitely (as Mannetosen so eloquently put it a few years ago) the 'cheat code' to murder. Absolutely. Simultaneously they're the cheat code to self-defense too. It's fucked up, but that's just the way it is.

 

I repeat; Guns are killing machines. Be it for murder, self defense, or hunting (animal murder lol...) there is absolutely no denying it.

on my personal perspective of owning firearms;

• better safe than sorry
• better have em and not need em, than need em and not have em
• even the playing field

and again, until a firearm has ever saved you or a loved ones life or has been used to serve justice, you probably just won't get it.

that being said, I'm not some fucking gun toting redneck or constitution thumper (shit was written literally after an armed revolution and during a time when our country could and had been invaded by armed forces). I'm on the side of common sense when it comes to obtaining firearms. It should be a difficult process, but it shouldn't be banned in AMERICA. Home of way too many fucking guns to go back now.