tombickle Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Well it certainly isn't the first time Mike was wrong about something. Clearly his comment held merit with you though, and that perception is 100% inaccurate. and I'm not really trying to discuss having a smaller group or go in circles, so much as point out the hole in that "it will be elitist" philosophy. I'm adamantly pushing a "Let's get the fuck on with it" agenda, even if we're including blatant record padding cheaters like Blake Phoenix on this list. Couldn't care less. And how is proposing a smaller list when a list has already been submitted, speeding up anything, might i ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 1-2per alliance should be how it goes not just a hands up tick box exercise for anyone who wants in, right now there's what 6 LOD? This is fucking embarrassing Here's the reality. We get the sub-forum, we start getting shit done. If people need to be removed or the body involved needs reduced, we start kickin people out of there. There's already a list (like Marky pointed out in the Best Ideas/Suggestions thread) that contains a bunch of cosmetic shit that should be included. We just have to sort through it and prioritize it to some degree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 And how is proposing a smaller list when a list has already been submitted, speeding up anything, might i ask? I didn't propose a smaller list so much as provide an example of a smaller list that would effectively and efficiently get shit done without bias or elitism playing a role. Comprende? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombickle Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 We agree on the reducing the size after the fact part then. But i assume its the who to remove part that we disagree on. I would suggest that whoever is contributing the least should be first to go, as opposed to lower manager rank 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Small group wouldn't necessarily be elitist and exclusionary, you just have to find the right people. Me, PBR, Duphus, GBK, JLP, Mentor, Gus, Marky (Finn), Louie, and Beck or Marky (Corporation) no offence to anybody I didn't list up there. kept it to minimum of 10 with 1 rep per alliance and chose most experienced people possible who understand mechanics of game from engine and/or business standpoints. everybody I listed has been around at least 5+ years without quitting or disappearing for too long. could easily handle what Mike is asking without over-complicating it when not necessary and I personally think it'd run much smoother with a panel like that than what we're doing now... but that's not what Mike asked for, so let's just roll with it, and no reason we shouldn't be able to get shit done or at least make progress in right direction. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 We should just go with the list of 40 that GBK posted. Get this started before Mike loses interest. Worry about kicking people when/if they act like idiots. If 40 is too many, Mike will tell us that himself. If that's the case we can run a poll to select 25 from the 40. Otherwise I predict another week of debating "how many" while the list grows to 60. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Remember we are talking small cosmetic changes here: NOT any major changes to the engine or how the game works: "I'm not talking massive game changing things like editing the fight engine (because obviously I'd have to have a hell of a lot of input into that) but cosmetic stuff, new rankings, trophies for stuff, hall of fame stuff, new stats, improvements to buzz, or better buzz integration into the site, changes to quickfights to block certain fighters etc etc... You get the idea. I am totally open to more complicated stuff getting done - you guys are intelligent so I'm confident you can do some equations if you want to, so e.g. if you wanted to tackle the game economy / income from events then cool, go for it. But let's start off small and cosmetic." This is likely stuff like: Flights QFC levels ETC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBM2 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Put that programmer to work, don't need a committee to fix flights, make grappling orgs, ect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I think some people commenting here do not understand the point of this comittee. This is not some political group or whatever, this is a group that will be helping the admin improve the game. To me, experience is 100% a valid criteria when deciding who should be in the group because only players who have been around for a few years know the more serious issues in the game, this does not mean newer members do not have imput or that they are inferior in any way, just if you have a choice between 2 willing members, you will consider the one who has been around 5 years and not the one who is around 5 months. I also do not think there is a problem with the group being bigger than 30 because once we get started, it will be obvious that from the 40 people on that list, a large portion are not active. Others will be poor communicators and some will simply not participate, we will be lucky if 10-15 of those people actually take part in the discussions. I think every 5-6 months we could need to remove certain members and add new ones, to keep ideas fresh and the group active. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Good post Mentor. Ok no more bickering.. we know this is getting done, instead of bickering start discussing what you would like to address first from that suggestions thread where somebody already put a lot of effort into When the time to cut some people comes we can all agree on this order: - Shave alliances with more than 2 members first (it's not alliance chat. lol 6 members IS embarassing lol) - Inexperienced managers go next after that - Inactive members next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Is there anywhere we can see a list of members who are a part of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefframrod Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I haven't commented here as yet but have noticed my name being linked in a few times. I appreciate being mentioned and would love to be part of this. Thanks to those who have thrown my name in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombickle Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Good post Mentor. Ok no more bickering.. we know this is getting done, instead of bickering start discussing what you would like to address first from that suggestions thread where somebody already put a lot of effort into When the time to cut some people comes we can all agree on this order: - Shave alliances with more than 2 members first (it's not alliance chat. lol 6 members IS embarassing lol) - Inexperienced managers go next after that - Inactive members next Id suggest inactives before inexperience. Inexperienced ideas are a hell of a lot better than no ideas 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Everyone mentioned is active and inexperienced ideas is not better than no ideas. Also you are wrong, the game is not broken, it simply needs improving, so I rather change nothing than add things that could totally ruin the core game. We probably lost more members from adding things to the game than we gained over the past few years, so any such changes are not welcome. New members are unaware of the history of previous changes and what implication they had on the member base. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombickle Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Everyone mentioned is active and inexperienced ideas is not better than no ideas. Also you are wrong, the game is not broken, it simply needs improving, so I rather change nothing than add things that could totally ruin the core game. We probably lost more members from adding things to the game than we gained over the past few years, so any such changes are not welcome. New members are unaware of the history of previous changes and what implication they had on the member base. Then its a good thing that there is a group of 40 people to shout down bad ideas isnt it? Someone who hasnt played for many years is perfectly capable of coming up with an idea that could benefit the game. I never said it was broken so im not sure who you're referring to there. Newer players have a unique viewpoint. They come in to the game and they are able to put forward ideas that would make them more likely to stay in the game for years. Of course its a good idea to have a wealth of experience in this group, but its also healthy to have diversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmas Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Hi guys, This idea is set to be divisive from the moment it was put forward.....Mike knew that this would happen, a lot of disagreement and fighting ,that is why he decided for things to be done this way....so in a couple of days time he can pop in and claim( "ok i had enough of you guys you look like a bunch of kids, i lose my will to leave after reading this etc etc..".) the same old shit until he finds a way out for not doing any improvements whatsoever.....by then he will be able to neglect the improvements on the grounds that people canot work as a team....Bro get a grip...you know i know everyone knows that this lot could never work as a team ....some have been competing against each other ferociously for the past 5 years....so they will never help or give credit to one another.....Team work IS NOT this comunity bread and butter, the nature of the game doesn't really allow it..... this was a terrible idea and he knew it from the start hes the boss he knows whos skilled on what.....if he was realy interested in doing this , he will just lay a proper plan down get whoever he needs in a get things rolling....but then again he knows this its like the democratic system in america ,the most democratic country in the world only has 2 political parties founded$$ by the same people....BUT PEOPLE TRULY BELIVE THEY LIVE IN THE MOST DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.... basicly you can fool people into thinking they have a say when in rality they dont.....but at least dont put everyone on a pit cockfighting for nothing realy!!! ps:Down vote as much as you want ,but deep inside, all of you know im right 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevoLaceUP Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Been playing this game for years, extremely active player, would be more than happy to be on the board if not full already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thb Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Just because the whole group idea has some flaws, that doesn’t mean it can’t work. I for one am honored to be included in the group. To give the group a good starting point and a better chance of making this work, I’ve added as many suggestions I could find with at least 10 upvotes to the popular suggestions listed in The Best Ideas / Suggestions Thread and ranked them purely by popularity (upvotes). We’ll still need to sort it out but the info is gathered in one place and it should at the very least be more up to date than The Best Ideas / Suggestions Thread. Fighter Callout – 42 upvotes Fighter Option - Vacate Title Belt – 35 upvotes Belt cabinet – 32 upvotes Training suggestion: Having to fight to improve skills – 28 upvotes Tale of the Tape Additions (Fighter Rank) – 27 upvotes Optional Primaries – 27 upvotes Training - Easy rest days – 24 upvotes Dropping fighters' skill cap – 24 upvotes Counter offers – 23 upvotes Knees to the leg in the clinch – 23 upvotes Tycoon "Local Time" Calendar – 22 upvotes Remove the middle man ( No more money laundering, instead ability to transfer money from fighter -> manager ) – 22 upvotes Increased Knockdown % + Chopdown – 20 upvotes Worldwide QFC & 3rd Level QFC – 20 upvotes Fighter Trophies for KT – 19 upvotes Org Fighter List + Improvement: Comments – 19 upvotes time limit for fight offers – 19 upvotes Don't see a gym as a company – 18 upvotes Email to opponent when a fight offer is accepted, declined – 18 upvotes Incentive for playing the game for a certain amount of years – 18 upvotes Fighter's Title History – 18 upvotes Remove coach happiness – 18 upvotes Allow Orgs to have both Clothing and Nutrition Partners – 17 upvotes Weight to Height ratio - restricted weight – 16 upvotes Faster resting – 16 upvotes Post fight speech depending on the ending (e.g. KO/ Decision/ Submission) – 15 upvotes Add escapes to post fight metric – 15 upvotes Rate a mentor – 15 upvotes Smack talk increasing fighter popularity – 15 upvotes Option to go for a takedown – 15 upvotes Manger's personal Hall of Fame fighter names – 15 upvotes KT Resurrection – 14 upvotes Fighter Flair – 14 upvotes Show manager's previous alliances – 14 upvotes Interim Championship Belt – 14 upvotes Stomps in clinch – 13 upvotes Revamp the mailing system – 13 upvotes More fighter slots – 13 upvotes Extra company slot for Island? – 13 upvotes Post event - Show fight rating – 12 upvotes Option for fighter to fight in multiple weight classes in contracts – 12 upvotes Round by round stats – 12 upvotes Avatar Store – 12 upvotes Max potential & learning speed – 12 upvotes Fighters with 1 fight left on their contract can be offered contracts by other organisations – 12 upvotes Remove PA and put all the function to VIP features – 12 upvotes Primary skills adjusted by Secondaries – 12 upvotes P4p/weight class ranking in tale of the tape – 12 upvotes Limit Spin and Win – 12 upvotes Gym Trophies (like trophies for other company owners such as orgs/ nutrition/ clothing/ etc) – 11 upvotes Paying off a jet early – 11 upvotes Clear all button - total skills graph – 11 upvotes Knees / Elbows in stand up – 11 upvotes QFC for KT – 11 upvotes Reduce sacking VIP loss – 11 upvotes Footwork – 11 upvotes AI controlled org – 11 upvotes Fighter Bio - Increase character maximum. – 11 upvotes clinch attempts percentage on the fighter stats page – 10 upvotes Gym manager improvements (Merchandise, Amateur tournaments, Gym open to the public option, Higher size = higher cost) – 10 upvotes Improve Possessions Page – 10 upvotes Express shipping for clothing / nutrition stores – 10 upvotes Revamp the MMA Tycoon wiki – 10 upvotes No lottery win messages unless it's a big win – 10 upvotes Autoflight - use your own private jets instead of public flights – 10 upvotes Laundry should be its own product category – 10 upvotes Balance city arenas – 10 upvotes Weight divisions - Ultimate solution? – 10 upvotes Update spin & win prizes – 10 upvotes Bigger belts – 10 upvotes One night MMA tournaments – 10 upvotes PA energy improvement – 10 upvotes Arenas as company? – 10 upvotes New coach skill points in gym – 10 upvotes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Just because the whole group idea has some flaws, that doesn’t mean it can’t work. I for one am honored to be included in the group. To give the group a good starting point and a better chance of making this work, I’ve added as many suggestions I could find with at least 10 upvotes to the popular suggestions listed in The Best Ideas / Suggestions Thread and ranked them purely by popularity (upvotes). We’ll still need to sort it out but the info is gathered in one place and it should at the very least be more up to date than The Best Ideas / Suggestions Thread. Fighter Callout – 42 upvotes Fighter Option - Vacate Title Belt – 35 upvotes Belt cabinet – 32 upvotes Training suggestion: Having to fight to improve skills – 28 upvotes Tale of the Tape Additions (Fighter Rank) – 27 upvotes Optional Primaries – 27 upvotes Training - Easy rest days – 24 upvotes Dropping fighters' skill cap – 24 upvotes Counter offers – 23 upvotes Knees to the leg in the clinch – 23 upvotes Tycoon "Local Time" Calendar – 22 upvotes Remove the middle man ( No more money laundering, instead ability to transfer money from fighter -> manager ) – 22 upvotes Increased Knockdown % + Chopdown – 20 upvotes Worldwide QFC & 3rd Level QFC – 20 upvotes Fighter Trophies for KT – 19 upvotes Org Fighter List + Improvement: Comments – 19 upvotes time limit for fight offers – 19 upvotes Don't see a gym as a company – 18 upvotes Email to opponent when a fight offer is accepted, declined – 18 upvotes Incentive for playing the game for a certain amount of years – 18 upvotes Fighter's Title History – 18 upvotes Remove coach happiness – 18 upvotes Allow Orgs to have both Clothing and Nutrition Partners – 17 upvotes Weight to Height ratio - restricted weight – 16 upvotes Faster resting – 16 upvotes Post fight speech depending on the ending (e.g. KO/ Decision/ Submission) – 15 upvotes Add escapes to post fight metric – 15 upvotes Rate a mentor – 15 upvotes Smack talk increasing fighter popularity – 15 upvotes Option to go for a takedown – 15 upvotes Manger's personal Hall of Fame fighter names – 15 upvotes KT Resurrection – 14 upvotes Fighter Flair – 14 upvotes Show manager's previous alliances – 14 upvotes Interim Championship Belt – 14 upvotes Stomps in clinch – 13 upvotes Revamp the mailing system – 13 upvotes More fighter slots – 13 upvotes Extra company slot for Island? – 13 upvotes Post event - Show fight rating – 12 upvotes Option for fighter to fight in multiple weight classes in contracts – 12 upvotes Round by round stats – 12 upvotes Avatar Store – 12 upvotes Max potential & learning speed – 12 upvotes Fighters with 1 fight left on their contract can be offered contracts by other organisations – 12 upvotes Remove PA and put all the function to VIP features – 12 upvotes Primary skills adjusted by Secondaries – 12 upvotes P4p/weight class ranking in tale of the tape – 12 upvotes Limit Spin and Win – 12 upvotes Gym Trophies (like trophies for other company owners such as orgs/ nutrition/ clothing/ etc) – 11 upvotes Paying off a jet early – 11 upvotes Clear all button - total skills graph – 11 upvotes Knees / Elbows in stand up – 11 upvotes QFC for KT – 11 upvotes Reduce sacking VIP loss – 11 upvotes Footwork – 11 upvotes AI controlled org – 11 upvotes Fighter Bio - Increase character maximum. – 11 upvotes clinch attempts percentage on the fighter stats page – 10 upvotes Gym manager improvements (Merchandise, Amateur tournaments, Gym open to the public option, Higher size = higher cost) – 10 upvotes Improve Possessions Page – 10 upvotes Express shipping for clothing / nutrition stores – 10 upvotes Revamp the MMA Tycoon wiki – 10 upvotes No lottery win messages unless it's a big win – 10 upvotes Autoflight - use your own private jets instead of public flights – 10 upvotes Laundry should be its own product category – 10 upvotes Balance city arenas – 10 upvotes Weight divisions - Ultimate solution? – 10 upvotes Update spin & win prizes – 10 upvotes Bigger belts – 10 upvotes One night MMA tournaments – 10 upvotes PA energy improvement – 10 upvotes Arenas as company? – 10 upvotes New coach skill points in gym – 10 upvotes Now weed most of those out and find the cosmetic ones like trophies, interface, etc. and we start there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thb Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Now weed most of those out and find the cosmetic ones like trophies, interface, etc. and we start there. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBK16 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Fighter Option - Vacate Title Belt – 35 upvotes Belt cabinet – 32 upvotes Tale of the Tape Additions (Fighter Rank) – 27 upvotes Training - Easy rest days – 24 upvotes Counter offers – 23 upvotes Fighter Trophies for KT – 19 upvotes Fighter's Title History – 18 upvotes Remove coach happiness – 18 upvotes Allow Orgs to have both Clothing and Nutrition Partners – 17 upvotes KT Resurrection – 14 upvotes Show manager's previous alliances – 14 upvotes Interim Championship Belt – 14 upvotes Express shipping for clothing / nutrition stores – 10 upvotes Autoflight - use your own private jets instead of public flights – 10 upvotes < Although I would prefer scrapping flights altogether One night MMA tournaments – 10 upvotes Some of the ideas that I think should come into consideration for the first wave up updates from Alika's list 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Fighter Option - Vacate Title Belt – 35 upvotes Belt cabinet – 32 upvotes Tale of the Tape Additions (Fighter Rank) – 27 upvotes Training - Easy rest days – 24 upvotes Counter offers – 23 upvotes Fighter Trophies for KT – 19 upvotes Fighter's Title History – 18 upvotes Remove coach happiness – 18 upvotes Allow Orgs to have both Clothing and Nutrition Partners – 17 upvotes KT Resurrection – 14 upvotes Show manager's previous alliances – 14 upvotes Interim Championship Belt – 14 upvotes Express shipping for clothing / nutrition stores – 10 upvotes Autoflight - use your own private jets instead of public flights – 10 upvotes < Although I would prefer scrapping flights altogether One night MMA tournaments – 10 upvotes Some of the ideas that I think should come into consideration for the first wave up updates from Alika's list Great work grant, I agree about flights being removed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBK16 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Great work grant, I agree about flights being removed as well. I can't take the credit for that lol Alika did an awesome job getting a starting set of ideas to work through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I can't take the credit for that lol Alika did an awesome job getting a starting set of ideas to work through My bad sorry Alika great wotk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thb Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 glad to be of help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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