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#1 markyosullivan

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:48 PM

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Team Jones

Clint Hester
Josh Samman
Bubba McDaniel
Gilbert Smith
Colin Hart
Adam Cella
Dylan Andrews


Team Sonnen

Luke Barnatt
Uriah Hall
Zak Cummings
Tor Troeng
Jimmy Quinlan
Kevin Casey
Kelvin Gastelum
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:49 PM

Anyone else watching the latest series of TUF?
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

actually this one seems very promising. not to be racist (well i am half black) but all the black guys and cummings looks to be the favorites
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

Have to agree with you, also think Luke Barnatt could be a contender to win given his reach advantage.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:28 PM

Have to agree with you, also think Luke Barnatt could be a contender to win given his reach advantage.

is the really muscular guy fighting him?
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

is the really muscular guy fighting him?

Yeah, Luke Barnatt is the tall 6" 6 english chap, fighting the chap who looks like Roy Jones Jr iirc
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

Yeah, Luke Barnatt is the tall 6" 6 english chap, fighting the chap who looks like Roy Jones Jr iirc

roy jones jr guy beat him bc of the Q & A after the first fight. Jon Jones said we are not losing this year.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

forget about the tuf guys. chael looks big!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

I caught the second half of the show. Looks great.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:44 AM

The seem to have changed up the production quite a bit. It feels more like a documentary than a reality show now. The close-up interviews were a little weird. I could see the pores in their skin. Still, that was probably the most impressive premiere I've seen in a while. Chael and Bones will probably be excellent coaches. Chael said in an interview that there isn't a lot of back and forth drama between the two which will be a breath of fresh air. Both guys were pretty funny, especially Chael saying that Bones has to pick Bubba first. Looking forward to this season. I don't have a particular guy who I think will go all the way. The fights to get into the house tend to be misleading.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

Don't really like the way Josh Samman was trying to tell Jon Jones who to pick for each fight, apparently it was Samman's 4th time trying to get into TUF iirc?
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:10 AM

Yea that was a little strange, but at least Jones didn't go for it.

I always scratch my head when someone picks the first fighter over the first fight too.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:25 AM

Dana said this season he forced joe rogan to go their since this was better than the first season
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:16 AM

definitely a lot of solid fighters in this season, should be some great fights-
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:57 AM

The UFC has always had the option to put good fighters on the show but they just didnt want to do it. Which i understand their reasoning. BUt this year they had to pull out all the stops. You can tell this crop over all is much more talented. All these big names now in the UFC didnt go through TUF. The UFC knew they were good but always opted not to put them in the show. Like Santos, Cain, Jones, Weidman, Gustafsson, and the list goes on. They knew these guys were special. You can tell by how they were handled and the match ups they got. Hell they had been hearing how big a beast Cain is from AKA for years.

I think the UFC believes that guys who come from TUF have a limit to how big a star they can be. People seem to not look at you as much awe when they see you so much and behidn the scenes every week and your fights for free. Also the TUF fights are not shows with the glits and glamor of a UFC event. Also it is hard to predict how the match ups go on the show. So even a top level fighter can get a bad match ups so they dont want to leave a top prospect to chance by putting him on the show. But TUF was hanging in the balance and it appears the UFC delivered this season. Fingers crossed!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:45 AM

The UFC has always had the option to put good fighters on the show but they just didnt want to do it. Which i understand their reasoning. BUt this year they had to pull out all the stops. You can tell this crop over all is much more talented. All these big names now in the UFC didnt go through TUF. The UFC knew they were good but always opted not to put them in the show. Like Santos, Cain, Jones, Weidman, Gustafsson, and the list goes on. They knew these guys were special. You can tell by how they were handled and the match ups they got. Hell they had been hearing how big a beast Cain is from AKA for years.

I think the UFC believes that guys who come from TUF have a limit to how big a star they can be. People seem to not look at you as much awe when they see you so much and behidn the scenes every week and your fights for free. Also the TUF fights are not shows with the glits and glamor of a UFC event. Also it is hard to predict how the match ups go on the show. So even a top level fighter can get a bad match ups so they dont want to leave a top prospect to chance by putting him on the show. But TUF was hanging in the balance and it appears the UFC delivered this season. Fingers crossed!

The UFC has always had the option to put good fighters on the show but they just didnt want to do it. Which i understand their reasoning. BUt this year they had to pull out all the stops. You can tell this crop over all is much more talented. All these big names now in the UFC didnt go through TUF. The UFC knew they were good but always opted not to put them in the show. Like Santos, Cain, Jones, Weidman, Gustafsson, and the list goes on. They knew these guys were special. You can tell by how they were handled and the match ups they got. Hell they had been hearing how big a beast Cain is from AKA for years.

I think the UFC believes that guys who come from TUF have a limit to how big a star they can be. People seem to not look at you as much awe when they see you so much and behidn the scenes every week and your fights for free. Also the TUF fights are not shows with the glits and glamor of a UFC event. Also it is hard to predict how the match ups go on the show. So even a top level fighter can get a bad match ups so they dont want to leave a top prospect to chance by putting him on the show. But TUF was hanging in the balance and it appears the UFC delivered this season. Fingers crossed!


Honestly, TUF could still be in trouble. They are apparently splitting FX into two different channels, one for drama and one for everything else. Speed will become the sports channel. It's hard to say if TUF will even stay on FX. The glitz and glamor is more apparent this season though, they have seriously stepped up the production values. It looks amazing.

I do agree that they didn't want a lot of guys going through TUF but I disagree about these guys having limits on how far they can go. Granted, the very first season probably had the most successful batch of fighters. While Forrest is a shadow of his former self, he was the champ. Kos had two title shots. Diego had a title shot, Kenny had three. A lot of those names will be remembered as long as the UFC is around.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:17 AM

Honestly, TUF could still be in trouble. They are apparently splitting FX into two different channels, one for drama and one for everything else. Speed will become the sports channel. It's hard to say if TUF will even stay on FX. The glitz and glamor is more apparent this season though, they have seriously stepped up the production values. It looks amazing.

I do agree that they didn't want a lot of guys going through TUF but I disagree about these guys having limits on how far they can go. Granted, the very first season probably had the most successful batch of fighters. While Forrest is a shadow of his former self, he was the champ. Kos had two title shots. Diego had a title shot, Kenny had three. A lot of those names will be remembered as long as the UFC is around.



I meant there is a limit on their popularity. Sometimes its not good to see a fighter with his "make up". UFC PPVs make the fighters larger than life. Thats how they make stars. Its hard to come off TUF that way because all the behidn the scenes stuff. The drinking, arguing, not always looking their best, and fights in a small room that come off as Amatuer fights(they basically are). That is peoples first impression and i doubt anyone can come off that show with the grace of a GSP for example. You can become popular for other reasons like your sense of Humor like Forrest, or being weird like Diego, and looking like Zoolander like Florian lol. But notice who become the biggest star of TUF 1 wasnt a contestant. It was Chuck Liddell. He wasnt put in the same compromising positions as the fighters were. I think its better to not go on TUF if you are going to be champ one day as you keep a level of mystic about you.Something you dont have after having a camera on you for 6 weeks. The Santos and Cains of the world have that. They become champ and people know little about them and want to know more. They only see them in a good light and in moderation.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:20 AM

This is going to be another stupid TUF series where the UFC keeps talking up the guys as being "able to make waves" until the show ends and they lose to some gatekeepers.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:22 AM

If I was to just go by what I saw in the first episode I would say Uriah Hall, Clint Hester or Tor Troeng are my top 3 to win it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:00 AM

This is going to be another stupid TUF series where the UFC keeps talking up the guys as being "able to make waves" until the show ends and they lose to some gatekeepers.



The UFC is a promotion. Their job is to promote. Of course they will hype them up. But the difference here is everyone who has watched the fighters have been able to see first hand they are clearly better than any TUF save for the first couple. Now they could go on to lose to gate keepers. But the UFC cant get anyone beat they choose to. But these guys are clealry more talented. Basically the biggest difference is athletic ability. THis group is far more athletic.
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