PSUMike's Intermediate Fighter Guide

[PSUMike]

Question here. I'm still pretty new on the game but I'm into the prospect fighters and having the patience to build them. I actually have a few of them (around 5) that I want to raise but since I'm now I'm low on money besides what the fighters currently have. Do you need a lot of money to invest? I'm buying good supps but not breaking the bank. Each fighter has about $800 in a beginner gym getting cardio up. The thing that scares me is when I need to go do secondaries and such I'll be broke.

 

I have a few different guys that can spar off each other in the same city. I have 2 Wonderful BJJ, Wonderful wrestler, and Wonderful boxer. To spar primaries (besides MT, I don't have a MT specialist) I can just stay in the beginner gym paying like $25 and spar off each other, right? The secondaries though I would have to get into gyms with coaches and that's what might break me. Any advice on this? Should I of waited and just made 22 yr olds to get my manager money up?

 

You definitely made the right decision to make 18 year olds. As I see my guys turning 25 and 26, I am kicking myself for not making them younger.

 

My advice to you is to make some friends.

[Guest]

I've been trying. Helping out with some things I know to newer guys,, offering my opinion in somethings, etc. Hopefully friends can help me develop and such especially if I run out of money down the line. I'd love to properly develop my fighters soon. I could see myself playing this a lot just because you don't need to be on for hours a day (Even though I am) so who knows in 2 years I might have amazing fighters. I've picked up so many tips across the boards they're really helpful.

 

My first guy was horrible haha. I gave him Feeble in everything. Next guy has Competent MT and Proficient BJJ. Working the sliders I've matter to go 2-0 with him and get some money. I just wish I could give money from fighter to manager to fund gyms and prospect fighters.

 

I already know I'm getting my Cardio to Wonderful or better then working my primaries/secondaries because from what I've read you should train primaries and secondaries while young because they're affected by age. Strength will go up the same regardless so I should raise them as much as possible.

 

So yea, I have a gameplan set out but I hope I can fund it. These guides help a lot so I'd like to say thanks for this and the other one and also to people who stay on this part to help out the newer guys

 

 

EDIT: I just read in a topic that you should do a QFC fight on prospects to see if they're worth training up to see if they have weak chins and such. Is this true? I must of missed this step lol. Should I do this? I'd lose some training time

[Guest]

With the new 2 tier QFC system, if you already trained your cardio and strength up, you are probably on the 2nd tier which mean you might be facing monsters in the QFC...and to answer your question, yup, that's what people did to find out their hidden and it's less useful after the 2 tier QFC kicked in(still usable though).

[Guest]

So, for example, with a Maia, you want wonderful striking defense. And you want his BJJ subs ect up before you round him out. Before its considered branching out, how high do you raise your striking primaries for defense?

 

 

Also, related to the discussion going on about training young, how much is the rate at which agility/speed/flex/balance train affected by aging?

[Guest]

I guess this comment should half belong in the how to build a fighter post and half belong in this post.

 

In my opinion, when creating a fighter who is going to be a project, you should put all 110 points into a primary and the remaining few points into another category. Similarly, you should put 110 points into as many secondaries as you can (should be 3 if you make an 18 y/o) and then the remainder of the points into your secondary secondary stats. With Elite coaches and small class sizes you should be able to get your secondaries up very quickly. As has been said before, it's easier to build from Useless to Strong than it is to go from Strong to Wonderful. Putting more points into less stats will shorten the time you need to make a good fighter.

[PSUMike]

So, for example, with a Maia, you want wonderful striking defense. And you want his BJJ subs ect up before you round him out. Before its considered branching out, how high do you raise your striking primaries for defense?

 

 

Also, related to the discussion going on about training young, how much is the rate at which agility/speed/flex/balance train affected by aging?

 

Not sure I follow what you are saying in the first part. It sounds to me like you answered your own question. Based on my experiences, physicals are not effected as much, if at all, by age.

 

I guess this comment should half belong in the how to build a fighter post and half belong in this post.

 

In my opinion, when creating a fighter who is going to be a project, you should put all 110 points into a primary and the remaining few points into another category. AGREED

Similarly, you should put 110 points into as many secondaries as you can (should be 3 if you make an 18 y/o) and then the remainder of the points into your secondary secondary stats. YES

With Elite coaches and small class sizes you should be able to get your secondaries up very quickly. NOT ALWAYS. THERE ARE A TON OF VARIABLES TO SAY THIS DEFINITIVELY. CLASS SIZE, LEARNING SPEED, ETC.

As has been said before, it's easier to build from Useless to Strong than it is to go from Strong to Wonderful. FOR SURE

Putting more points into less stats will shorten the time you need to make a good fighter. IN GENERAL, I USUALLY OPT FOR THIS OPTION UNLESS I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC IN MIND

 

 

Comments added in bold and caps.

[Guest]

Bumped for great justice.

[RodrigoMachado]

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=55354

Can this fighter already be considered an intermediate BJ Penn style?

[CardiffWanderer]

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=55354

Can this fighter already be considered an intermediate BJ Penn style?

 

I would say that once his wrestling is higher you can consider him an intermediate BJ fighter

[PSUMike]

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=55354

Can this fighter already be considered an intermediate BJ Penn style?

 

Sort of. Like CW said, a little more wrestling and even more boxing would help.

 

Here are my 2 BJ builds who are in the intermediate phase:

 

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=4925

 

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=14298

[CardiffWanderer]

Sort of. Like CW said, a little more wrestling and even more boxing would help.

 

Here are my 2 BJ builds who are in the intermediate phase:

 

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=4925

 

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=14298

 

Its my impression that those are quite far on intermediates so the comparison is like the two end book marks of intermediate state. Which is quite a good comparison really.

[Guest]

Its my impression that those are quite far on intermediates so the comparison is like the two end book marks of intermediate state. Which is quite a good comparison really.

 

Great guide!

 

I do have a couple questions though

 

1. I currently have two fighters I'm focusing on (one I created before reading the guide, and one after) My first I would like to make a Anderson Silva type as decribed above. He currently has feeble MT and respectable BJJ (nearly purple belt) He has been offered a contract and his first fight looks about 6 weeks out. LW

 

2. I also have a Matt Hughes I created with Proficent wrestling and Medicore BJJ and respectable GNP, TDDEF, TDOFF, and DEFGRAP. He does not have a contract and has no timeline. LHW

 

I created both these fighters a couple days ago and I'm building up their cardio and strength and plan to (with the help of supplements) for at least another 2-3 weeks a piece and then start work on primary skills.

 

Can you guys give me an idea of how long a timeline i'm looking at to get my two primaries (AS: MT and BJJ) MH: (Wrestling and BJJ) up to competitive levels or the ones outlined above? (or does this depend on the gym?)

 

PS: Is there any way to get an idea of how fast each particular fighter can learn or is that just a toss up sort of thing to leave to chance?

 

EDIT: Both fighters are 19, training in a budget gym. I looked at the sparring schedule and it looks like each of the primaries have 4 main sparring sessions of about 15 people each. The top 4 specialists in each primary are in each of those sessions. (1 sensational, 1 exceptional and 2 wonderful in each)

[PSUMike]

Great guide!

 

I do have a couple questions though

 

1. I currently have two fighters I'm focusing on (one I created before reading the guide, and one after) My first I would like to make a Anderson Silva type as decribed above. He currently has feeble MT and respectable BJJ (nearly purple belt) He has been offered a contract and his first fight looks about 6 weeks out. LW

 

2. I also have a Matt Hughes I created with Proficent wrestling and Medicore BJJ and respectable GNP, TDDEF, TDOFF, and DEFGRAP. He does not have a contract and has no timeline. LHW

 

I created both these fighters a couple days ago and I'm building up their cardio and strength and plan to (with the help of supplements) for at least another 2-3 weeks a piece and then start work on primary skills.

 

Can you guys give me an idea of how long a timeline i'm looking at to get my two primaries (AS: MT and BJJ) MH: (Wrestling and BJJ) up to competitive levels or the ones outlined above? (or does this depend on the gym?)

 

PS: Is there any way to get an idea of how fast each particular fighter can learn or is that just a toss up sort of thing to leave to chance?

 

EDIT: Both fighters are 19, training in a budget gym. I looked at the sparring schedule and it looks like each of the primaries have 4 main sparring sessions of about 15 people each. The top 4 specialists in each primary are in each of those sessions. (1 sensational, 1 exceptional and 2 wonderful in each)

 

In my opinion, with the level of competition, a brown belt in BJJ is almost required to get submission wins even at the mid-level orgs. You can get by with strong MT and still be successful. Wrestling with a Hughes build should be around superb to remarkable before branching out. But still work his boxing as well. It will take some time. I can't pinpoint a time line because it really depends on how fast your fighter learns.

[Guest]

In my opinion, with the level of competition, a brown belt in BJJ is almost required to get submission wins even at the mid-level orgs. You can get by with strong MT and still be successful. Wrestling with a Hughes build should be around superb to remarkable before branching out. But still work his boxing as well. It will take some time. I can't pinpoint a time line because it really depends on how fast your fighter learns.

and once I start training how will I be able to tell whether or not my guy is learning quickly? I know it's one of my traits on the Silva build.

[PSUMike]

Compare him to your other fighters. That's the only real way to say definitively.

[ajperok]

thanks sir.. great follow up..

 

one question.. what is the best course for non vip guys (the ones that cant afford to put their fighter/s in a gym with 12 elite coaches all by himself).

 

are we forced to cramp into semi full gyms?

 

VIP doesn't give you $$$.. It gives you fighters which means you have more people to pay for.

 

You need to make a fighter in Hilo, start with 1600.00 then, train part time for a few weeks, str cond, do your sparring strategically at lower cost gyms, then 600.00 gyms here and there when you need the Elite training.

Fight a few fights at tier 1 QFC , go 3-0, 4-0... = Sign a big contract. DONE

[ajperok]

whoops double post

[Guest]

This should be stickied and I would argue more helpful than the beginner's guide.

[Guest]

In my opinion, with the level of competition, a brown belt in BJJ is almost required to get submission wins even at the mid-level orgs. You can get by with strong MT and still be successful. Wrestling with a Hughes build should be around superb to remarkable before branching out. But still work his boxing as well. It will take some time. I can't pinpoint a time line because it really depends on how fast your fighter learns.

 

I'm not sure I agree with this. My main submission guy was getting some good ones with a blue belt for a while. The key is high wrestling because you need to get to the ground, control and GnP before you submit.

 

I like this guide. I have some problems with your fighter build guide but this one is pretty nice.

 

My BJ Penn build added MT kicks to his arsenal to great effect. His high flexibility from BJJ means he can kick people in the face no problem.

 

I don't think flexibility helps submissions, does it? Just defensive grappling.

[Guest]

I don't think flexibility helps submissions, does it? Just defensive grappling.

 

I think it helps, as from my observation form secondaries training, flexibility increases a lot(and it's "a lot" in terms of secondaries training, so around 0.1 is "a lot") compare to other physical stats involved. Tested on submission and defensive grappling stat.

[Guest]

respectable (or higher in the less important physicals for their build before branching out.

 

Does this mean I should get respectable Agility on a Maia before moving on or is the reference to less important physicals more like the flexibility for a Matt Hughes with submissions?

[jacky67]

I'm predicting that we'll start to see more Muay Thai\BJJ fighters in the next year. These will be countered by good wrestlers, and so on.

That's true, all my muay thai/BJJ fighters beat good boxers ,and all my boxers/wrestling guy are beat by muay thai fighters.

One time my useless/mediocre/useless/brown belt fighters knock out a superb/woeful/Mediocre/white belt in less than 2mn.

Actually i have no idea how adjust my slider when i have a boxer fighting a muay thay fighter

[Guest]

I'd imagine that distance plays into it a good deal. Against a good MT guy who likes to clinch and kick you want to stay close but not clinch staying close if it reflects real life will crowd them and make it more difficult to land kicks.

[Guest]

i love how all my fighters in Hilo started with the 500 or whatever it used to be

[Guest]

I'd imagine that distance plays into it a good deal. Against a good MT guy who likes to clinch and kick you want to stay close but not clinch staying close if it reflects real life will crowd them and make it more difficult to land kicks.

 

Just wonder...how do you set the distance in the slider...cuz I really don't know...