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The hard part about the P4P rankings is Jon Jones because other than that it's very subjective imo but he is the best fighter in the world. With the failed drug tests he has taken himself out of these rankings for me. He will go down as one of the biggest what if's in the history of sports. Up there with Len Bias, Bo Jackson, etc.

 

1. DJ

2. Holloway - The man has teared through the division and if it weren't for Conor holding up the division for so long he would have been champ a long time ago.

3. Stipe Miocic

4. Tyron Woodley - I may not like his style or his performances but he has won and has beaten probably the highest level of competition of anyone on this list.

5. Daniel Cormier

6. TJ Dillashaw

7. Tony Ferguson - Same position as Holloway, to me he is the true champ of 155.

8. Robert Whittaker - Same posiition as Holloway and Ferguson but his title reign got held up by Bisping.

9. GSP

10. Conor McGregor - He could be far higher but he has never defended his belt and to me he takes a big hit to his ranking for that.

11. Khabib - If he stays healthy he could very well skyrocket to the top 3 quickly.

12. Cody Garbrandt

13. Stephen Thompson

14. Luke Rockhold

15. Dominick Cruz

 

I took the women out of my list because they should have their own. My list came down to a few things; activity, level of competition, and for champions who actually have a few title defenses under their belt.

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UFC rankings have never been fair .. both normal weight class rankings and P4P, specially the P4P
it's like they rank the fighters they want, where they want

as of right now ... according to their performances, performances against the top level competition ( not fighting out of prime dudes or getting fights because the boss has a crush on you etc.), being active in the fight game, my top 15 would be like this ;

1.DJ ( people say that he fights a bit shallow competition in his division, he was beaten by Cruz when he was a weight class above and all .. but still the dude fights, fights often, wins in convincing fashion, outstanding technique... almost cleared up the division ..and its no joke to defend the title for years, and with such a dominant fashion no matter what the competition is ... in an era where some champions are just for the name and to make money only )

2.Holloway ( beating Aldo twice in a convincing fashion, though in my opinion Aldo isn't in his peak prime ... and having such an amazing, dominant win streak ... finally the division got a real champ, after Aldo's first dominant run )

3.Stipe ( he has got a huge task in front of him in Francis, but Stipe is the Heavyweight champ for god's sake :) and he has 2 successful defenses ... if he can keep up his activity without getting injured dude is a tough beast )

4.DC (they all look past DC because of Jones .. I love Jones and DC both ... but DC is here fighting .. Jones isn't ... )

5.GSP ( he made his sudden come back, won the title and now vacated it ... at least he had the decency to vacate it rather than holding the division for months .. and he was like the top 3 P4P when he decided to step back for a while ... so he definitely deserves a top 5 position but it depends on whether he wasn't to fight again soon, be active or whether he wants to fight again at all )

6.Woodley ( Dana white might not like his fighting style ... but MMA is a fighting game for the hardcore fans not a money making business as it is for Dana .. Woodley beats the toughest competition with amazing game plans, may not be pleasing for the casual fans but it's a treat for hardcore fans when someone can keep the composure and keep up the game plan running smoothly and perfectly for 5 rounds without falling into traps .. it's not easy .. we see veteran champions fall into other's antics and loose their titles )

7.TJ ( After Cruz he is the best Bantamweight there has been in a long time ... )

8.Tony ( finally lightweight division has a true champion ... and he could go to the top 5 P4P in my list, if he keeps active and defends his title .. he is the champ in many hardcore fans' eyes .. no need to wait for that guy mcgregor ..go on Tony ... amazing win streak, great fights, finishes ... but dude needs to work on his striking defense for sure .. can't always count on the heart and toughness :) )

9.Cyborg ( well ...WHY NOT ! make a title defense, she should move up ...)

10.Nunes ( she is one of the best female fighters in recent years ... should gear up and get back her killer instincts )

11.Whittaker ( great performances against top class competition ... a young guy with a lots of room to improve and that is scary )

12.Rose (she completely smoked the so called best female fighter after Rousey .... she should be given the respect she deserves ... if she can make a title defense and prove that she is indeed legit and get this idea off of some critics that her last victory was a fluke ..and which she would in my opinion )

13.Mcgregor ( well ... he should first fight to be in the top rankings ... casual fans who started watching mma a couple of years ago would say that he is the G.O.A.T ... but dude should give up his girly drama and antics and defend his title like a real fighter .. keep aside defending the title ( not against a returning BJ Penn or someone -_- .. against a legit contender or against Tony in an unification bout), dude should at least fight ...if he is not active due to injuries it's acceptable .. but this dude is -_-
if he fights a couple of top guys (not 40 year old out of prime guys), wins them .. definitely he should be in top 5 or 10

14.Aldo, Cruz (they might have dropped their last fight/couple of fights, but they still deserve to be in the rankings ... keep loosing or not being active unless it's an injury ..then it's something else )

15.Frankie, Khabib, Francis ( I can't think of a time when Frankie wasn't in the P4P top 15 at least ... Khabib is good, but should be more active, but at least he is not active due to injuries not because of crazy drama ... and Francis seems like a legit guy .. but needs to be tested more... )


Other mentions : Rockhold, RDA, Gustafsson

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He did defend a lot of takedowns from Curtis Blaydes and in his fight against Luis Henrique he lit him up for 2 and a half rounds before knocking him out cold.

I'm not saying Werdum doesn't deserve to be in the top 15 but look at Werdum vs Overeem. Werdum lost the first 2 rounds and couldn't finish Overeem when he was hurt. Ngannou took Overeem out in the first round. I feel like if we're talking about P4P that has to mean something when someone loses to someone and then another dude knocks that guy out cold.

Curtis 50 cent? Luis who?

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Jon Jones is disqualified from my rankings.

 

1. DC

2. DJ

3. Holloway

4. Ferguson

5. Miocic

6. McGregor

7. TJ Killashaw

8. Whittaker

9. GSP

10. Woodley

11. Cyborg

12. Khabib

13. Werdum

14. Nunes

15... Garbrandt, Cruz, Rose, Mousasi, Edgar, Overeem or Joanna all could be in there.

 

 

 

Didn't take much time on this but that's basically the order.

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Look out, your casual is showing

Literally flyweight is more interesting than a shallow heavyweight division that has little talent outside top 10 whoch I don’t follow. Pretty sure those are the guys lord Arted dusted off into retirement right?

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Literally flyweight is more interesting than a shallow heavyweight division that has little talent outside top 10 whoch I dont follow. Pretty sure those are the guys lord Arted dusted off into retirement right?

I'd rather watch some fat drunk heavyweight bum fight than a skinny midget (I enjoy watching DJ but his fights are so one sided it's ridiculous)

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I'd rather watch some fat drunk heavyweight bum fight than a skinny midget (I enjoy watching DJ but his fights are so one sided it's ridiculous)

There are more flyweights than dj. Drunk bums fight in the bar all the time so its not that exciting to see them at a professional level.
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Mcgregor's still at #2 ...
after Stipe's dominant performance

if they can just push mcnuggets to #1 by somehow dropping DJ they would do that ...

one thing is clear about UFC p4p rankings..that is the rankings are total bullshit

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My current (as of 3rd April)

1. Jon Jones
2. Daniel Cormier
3. Stipe Miocic
4. Demetrious Johnson

5. Robert Whittaker

6. Max Holloway
7. Tony Ferguson

8. Khabib Nurmagomedov

9. Conor McGregor
10. TJ Dillashaw
11. Tyron Woodley

12. Yeol Romero
13. Georges St-Pierre
14. Rafael Dos Anjos
15. Brian Ortega

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My current (as of 3rd April)

 

1. Jon Jones

2. Daniel Cormier

3. Stipe Miocic

4. Demetrious Johnson

5. Robert Whittaker

6. Max Holloway

7. Tony Ferguson

8. Khabib Nurmagomedov

9. Conor McGregor

10. TJ Dillashaw

11. Tyron Woodley

12. Yeol Romero

13. Georges St-Pierre

14. Rafael Dos Anjos

15. Brian Ortega

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Based on the actual meaning of P4P, how can you put Conor down so low? Sure he lost a fight to Nate. It's MMA. Everyone loses.

 

He fought at 145 and 155 against real world class opposition and best them easily, a 13 second annihilation of the greatest featherweight ever and a 2 round dismantling of a future Hall of famer. And he made it look easy. On top of that, he fought at 170 too, losing and then coming back and going to war and taking the win.

 

I think a lot of people just naturally hate McGregor and their hate blinds them to the fact that McGregor is actually a spectacular fighter, when you take away the bullshit and stupid trash talk.

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The hard part about the P4P rankings is Jon Jones because other than that it's very subjective imo but he is the best fighter in the world. With the failed drug tests he has taken himself out of these rankings for me. He will go down as one of the biggest what if's in the history of sports. Up there with Len Bias, Bo Jackson, etc.

 

1. DJ

2. Holloway - The man has teared through the division and if it weren't for Conor holding up the division for so long he would have been champ a long time ago.

3. Stipe Miocic

4. Tyron Woodley - I may not like his style or his performances but he has won and has beaten probably the highest level of competition of anyone on this list.

5. Daniel Cormier

6. TJ Dillashaw

7. Tony Ferguson - Same position as Holloway, to me he is the true champ of 155.

8. Robert Whittaker - Same posiition as Holloway and Ferguson but his title reign got held up by Bisping.

9. GSP

10. Conor McGregor - He could be far higher but he has never defended his belt and to me he takes a big hit to his ranking for that.

11. Khabib - If he stays healthy he could very well skyrocket to the top 3 quickly.

12. Cody Garbrandt

13. Stephen Thompson

14. Luke Rockhold

15. Dominick Cruz

 

I took the women out of my list because they should have their own. My list came down to a few things; activity, level of competition, and for champions who actually have a few title defenses under their belt.

As for Conor holding the 145 belt up, if he had just defended, you believe Max would have beat him? Conor beat him in thir first fight with a torn ACL and had to fight in a way he's never fought before against a guy used to fighting that way, and beat him.

 

Nah bro, if McGregor hadn't held that belt up, Max would never have been champ.

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Based on the actual meaning of P4P, how can you put Conor down so low? Sure he lost a fight to Nate. It's MMA. Everyone loses.

 

He fought at 145 and 155 against real world class opposition and best them easily, a 13 second annihilation of the greatest featherweight ever and a 2 round dismantling of a future Hall of famer. And he made it look easy. On top of that, he fought at 170 too, losing and then coming back and going to war and taking the win.

 

I think a lot of people just naturally hate McGregor and their hate blinds them to the fact that McGregor is actually a spectacular fighter, when you take away the bullshit and stupid trash talk.

 

Because his only truly elite wins are Aldo and Alvarez. Mendes too if you can count it, but the fact it was short notice may've played a part. Going 1-1 with a guy that barely cracks the 155 top 10 is not the least bit impressive. I don't hate McGregor at all (have to like him since I'm Irish), and have actually been a big fan of his since his debut but I can't justify putting him any higher on the list. The guy hasn't fought in 500+ days too. Conor never had any plans of defending the 145 strap for fear of Frankie (although he'd beat Frankie now 2/3 years on), and never had any plans on defending the 155 either for fear of Khabib (or even Tony). This much is clear to anyone with open eyes.

 

In short, McGregor is a fantastic fighter but does not have a better resume than those I placed above him, is not active enough & has clearly ducked opposition in an almost Bisping-like fashion. "He doesn't have to defend, hes so rich etc. etc." is all well and true, but it does nothing to push him up the P4P ladder.

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Lol McGregor lost to Nate Diaz and then almost drew over 5 rounds in a rematch.

 

Nate Diaz has never been top 5 in any division let alone top 15 P4P.

 

Then the Max Holloway fight was against a far weaker Max Holloway - I reckon the rejuvenated Max Holloway would beat McGregor.

 

As for beating Aldo in 14 seconds you cant reallt say he dominated Aldo when Aldo got caught early on and didnt get a chance to fight properly.

 

Then McGregor not defending his belt for an enternity and the fact that we all know Khabib would smash him means around #10 is more than generous.

 

McGregor is a great fighter but hes by no means unbeatable. Also I dont know anyone who hates him.

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Because his only truly elite wins are Aldo and Alvarez. Mendes too if you can count it, but the fact it was short notice may've played a part. Going 1-1 with a guy that barely cracks the 155 top 10 is not the least bit impressive. I don't hate McGregor at all (have to like him since I'm Irish), and have actually been a big fan of his since his debut but I can't justify putting him any higher on the list. The guy hasn't fought in 500+ days too. Conor never had any plans of defending the 145 strap for fear of Frankie (although he'd beat Frankie now 2/3 years on), and never had any plans on defending the 155 either for fear of Khabib (or even Tony). This much is clear to anyone with open eyes.

 

In short, McGregor is a fantastic fighter but does not have a better resume than those I placed above him, is not active enough & has clearly ducked opposition in an almost Bisping-like fashion. "He doesn't have to defend, hes so rich etc. etc." is all well and true, but it does nothing to push him up the P4P ladder.

 

If you believe that you're delusional. You really think he's scared of certain match ups or opponents? I don't believe it. I'm not saying that his camp or management might feel some type of way, sure, but Conor himself? I highly fuckin doubt it.

 

If Frankie were the 145 champ and Khabib or Tony were the 155 champs when he was coming up, the goals would of been the same. He got super fucking wealthy from fighting Mayweather - an opportunity any professional prize-fighter should take considering (most) get chump change in the UFC - and what nobody ever mentions is the fact that he has a newborn son.

 

You've acquired a ton of wealth and you have a new born kid. The dude has earned his layoff. You don't have to fight any more due to the money you've made, probably more money in 1 fight than every UFC fighter outside of himself combined in the last year, I don't think there's any "fear of losing" preventing him from fighting.

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If you believe that you're delusional. You really think he's scared of certain match ups or opponents? I don't believe it. I'm not saying that his camp or management might feel some type of way, sure, but Conor himself? I highly fuckin doubt it.

 

If Frankie were the 145 champ and Khabib or Tony were the 155 champs when he was coming up, the goals would of been the same. He got super fucking wealthy from fighting Mayweather - an opportunity any professional prize-fighter should take considering (most) get chump change in the UFC - and what nobody ever mentions is the fact that he has a newborn son.

 

You've acquired a ton of wealth and you have a new born kid. The dude has earned his layoff. You don't have to fight any more due to the money you've made, probably more money in 1 fight than every UFC fighter outside of himself combined in the last year, I don't think there's any "fear of losing" preventing him from fighting.

 

Whether it was up to him, his management or the UFC - the fact of the matter is that he was seemingly purposefully pushed away from unfavourable match ups, both on the come-up and as Champion. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in fact scared of Khabib, but only the man himself knows whether that is true or not.

 

The other shit isn't relevant though as it still doesn't change his current resume, nor the fact he only has 2 - at a push 3 elite wins in his career. I don't blame him at all for taking all this time off and sitting waiting around for the big paydays, you'd be fuckng stupid not to in his position, but none of that does anything to help his P4P ranking. What good is claiming to be the best if you never show it? Strictly going by who he has beaten & how he done it regardless of external factors, I feel his place on my list is more than justified.

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Whether it was up to him, his management or the UFC - the fact of the matter is that he was seemingly purposefully pushed away from unfavourable match ups, both on the come-up and as Champion. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in fact scared of Khabib, but only the man himself knows whether that is true or not.

 

The other shit isn't relevant though as it still doesn't change his current resume, nor the fact he only has 2 - at a push 3 elite wins in his career. I don't blame him at all for taking all this time off and sitting waiting around for the big paydays, you'd be fuckng stupid not to in his position, but none of that does anything to help his P4P ranking. What good is claiming to be the best if you never show it? Strictly going by who he has beaten & how he done it regardless of external factors, I feel his place on my list is more than justified.

 

I wasn't arguing that point at all, simply the fact that you're claiming he's scared of those dudes. He's a fighter at the highest level of the game, I highly doubt he's scared of them lol. He knocked out Aldo in 1 punch. He never ran from unfavorable match ups. Mendes, Aldo, Diaz, RDA/Alvarez, Mayweather ... all 'unfavorable matchups'.

 

His goal was to be a two-weight champion. He won the 145 belt in 1 punch. Beat Jose Aldo - who was arguably the greatest featherweight of all time and an absolute monster - damn near kills himself to make 145 ... obviously 155 was his goal. He went up to fight RDA. Another brazilian juicer who everybody claims is such a bad matchup for him and destroy him... RDA pulled out... he takes on Nate Diaz... legit BJJ specialist and some solid boxing credentials fucking around w/ Andre Ward & company, and he loses... when you lose to somebody, if you don't want to avenge your loss, you don't have the right mentality. He was hellbent on avenging that loss. Didn't matter if it was Diaz, RDA, Jose, whoever Conor lost to he was naturally going to want a rematch - fortunately for him he was in a position where the UFC caters to what he wants to do because they know regardless it's gonna make them money as long as he's there. So when he is like 'fuck all I want to fight this kid again that's the only fight I want' the UFC is gonna be like 'yes, let's do it, another easy paycheck for us.' and that's what happened. So he beats Nate and now he can move on from his vendetta...

 

he fights Eddie Alvarez... who once again everybody said was too much for Conor.. Eddie just beat the shit out of RDA - another fighter that was suppose to be too much for Conor... and McGregor comes out there and beats the fucking piss out of Eddie and made him look like an amateur.

 

I want to hear who he ducked, dodged, and didn't fight? Him cutting down to 145 again is a long shot after beating Jose. He cuts an unhealthy amount of weight to get there. He's not ducking anybody by not going back down to 145 to fight.

 

Conor had his eyes set on two-weight champion. He did it. He accomplished his dreams and goals and put in the work to do it. Now he's ridiculously wealthy and rich. I don't believe for half a second that he's scared or 'ducking' anybody and from a management position I don't think a lot of fights are worth risking his value... and whether the UFC agrees with his value or not is another unknown denominator.

 

He's not the p4p best fighter in the world. He's not uno numero. That was never what I was questioning when I replied to the post in the first place. You really think he's scared? I think that's laughable. I think if you put him in a room with any of those guys and they wanted to throw down, he's fighting. Dude's a real fighter.

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