JakeF Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Physical training is affected only by age and supplements. Maybe they were at a different age, or had different energy/morale levels which also affect learning speed, or maybe they were using different type/quality of supplements. Or if they had some fights - fighting increases conditioning as well, depending on how long the fight was, but you can see conditioning increase after a fight. Also I don't suggest you to start with useless conditioning because it is pretty hard to train anything when your energy goes down too fast. For an 18yo build, 110 conditioning at creation is a must for me(or at least 90-100) and for a 25yo build you should start with at least 50-60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 ll but one of them are 18 y/o, they are using the same supplements, and none of them have fought yet. I am truly baffled, because I thought all the things you have said in that post were true, but yet... There are different schools of thought on the conditioning thing. I used to be just like you in making all my fighters with remarkable or wonderful conditioning, but it was pointed out that starting with abysmal is better, because it's easier to train up conditioning then some of the other skills. Especially if you don't have access to private gyms, which I kind of do and kind of don't at the moment. but yeah... still not sure. The 16 year old I get that he might train at a different rate, but the others... there was literally zero difference in their routine. Anyway, thanks for answering the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Maybe you have missed something mate. Could be the gym vending machine filled with cardio/weight supps, so the fighters that used them more, advanced better in those skills. Check here: http://www.mmatycoon.com/vendingpurchases.php?MgrID=59400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Maybe you have missed something mate. Could be the gym vending machine filled with cardio/weight supps, so the fighters that used them more, advanced better in those skills. Check here: http://www.mmatycoon.com/vendingpurchases.php?MgrID=59400 Doh! I never thought about that. That is almost certainly what it is... Thanks. It seems so obvious now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmagladiators Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 ground fighter with 141 is my highest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I had this dude - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=310868 get around 140 or so for an IQ a while. But i've never been brave enough to test SHIG on him. Maybe next fight You really owe it to yourself to put him on high SHIG. go 100% SHIG and he will follow your instructions for sliders very closely and also try some things outside the box where he knows he can have success. Even putting him on 75-80% SHIG will really help you I think. Try it and You will not be dissapointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomodinho Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I read somewhere that high IQ is more valuable for ground and pound and submissions than striking, is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I read somewhere that high IQ is more valuable for ground and pound and submissions than striking, is that true? also when to go in for the kill, knowing when a fighter is rocked -- i have used 100% shig it goes on many fighters with great success -- have a fighter now that once found out he was intelligent changed to 100% shig and he has done good http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=321664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I am definitely going to try SHIG with my 140 guy. At least until I discover that he is a pillow fisted, butter chinned cupcake with no redeeming qualities other than high intelligence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMoorman Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Physical training is affected only by age and supplements. Maybe they were at a different age, or had different energy/morale levels which also affect learning speed, or maybe they were using different type/quality of supplements. Or if they had some fights - fighting increases conditioning as well, dependingl on how long the fight was, but you can see conditioning increase after a fight. Also I don't suggest you to start with useless conditioning because it is pretty hard to train anything when your energy goes down too fast. For an 18yo build, 110 conditioning at creation is a must for me(or at least 90-100) and for a 25yo build you should start with at least 50-60. So my fighter isn't gaining anything from training because he's a 25 y/o build and I'm not giving him the right supplements? What supplement should be used to train any skill? What's the best supplement to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I am definitely going to try SHIG with my 140 guy. At least until I discover that he is a pillow fisted, butter chinned cupcake with no redeeming qualities other than high intelligence... Still set a gameplan. They come out w/ whatever gameplan you set in sliders (even if on 100% SHIG) and are suppose to adjust it if they start losing or it's not working. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Still set a gameplan. They come out w/ whatever gameplan you set in sliders (even if on 100% SHIG) and are suppose to adjust it if they start losing or it's not working. Well... yeah... I knew that. But, thanks for pointing that out to anyone that might make the mistake of thinking that setting the SHIG to 100% means no fight plan is needed. I can see where a newbie reading this could think that High IQ fighter + 100% SHIG = pure awesome guaranteed win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think that SHIG affects only clinch/takedown/break clinch/stand up sliders, cause ur fighter tries to change fight position if he is losing. It is not something that fixes wrong aggro/damage settings or striking distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think that SHIG affects only clinch/takedown/break clinch/stand up sliders, cause ur fighter tries to change fight position if he is losing. It is not something that fixes wrong aggro/damage settings or striking distribution. You're probably right, but I almost never used SHIG in the past because I seldom knew my guys IQ scores and when I did they tended to be only average intelligence... or morons... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 You're probably right, but I almost never used SHIG in the past because I seldom knew my guys IQ scores and when I did they tended to be only average intelligence... or morons... lol SHIG is inconsistent and for a long time a lot of people thought it was broken. I don't know if that's still the consensus or not. I had a 148 IQ fighter w/ heart, confidence, granite chin (http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=106772) and during the back-half of his career I went w/ 100% SHIG in all of the fights that I can remember. Very mixed results. I still set his gameplan for majority of fights. I know I set it for the last 2 Bowser fights. I outstruck Bowser the 2nd fight because dude was very basic and predictable, and IIRC the 3rd fight came after the prediction slider changes, so I tried to be as unpredictable as I could be and went counter/damage vs him and it tanked miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Yeah... Kinda why I've always been gun shy with SHIG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHL Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Whats about average in this game? My guy just pulled a 125 on his IQ test http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=318196 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coton81 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 i actually had a guy that got 148 shame i suck as a manager lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomodinho Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Is 136 iq good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomodinho Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 And is it worth using shig with that fighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 yes and yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomodinho Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 yes and yes Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I would experiment with some SHIG for your 136 guy. I, personally would not go 100% with him. Chris Karter and Captain Spaulding both had 148s and that I think is just about as high as it gets. For them I would go 100% SHIG (but still set your sliders). For anything less than 145 or so, I would probably not go 100%. But that is just me, and I am very leery of SHIG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 You really owe it to yourself to put him on high SHIG. go 100% SHIG and he will follow your instructions for sliders very closely and also try some things outside the box where he knows he can have success. Even putting him on 75-80% SHIG will really help you I think. Try it and You will not be dissapointed. The bold is not true. There's 1 guarantee... if you use SHIG you will eventually, sooner or later, be very disappointed w/ the results lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHL Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I would experiment with some SHIG for your 136 guy. I, personally would not go 100% with him. Chris Karter and Captain Spaulding both had 148s and that I think is just about as high as it gets. For them I would go 100% SHIG (but still set your sliders). For anything less than 145 or so, I would probably not go 100%. But that is just me, and I am very leery of SHIG What exactly is SHIG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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