handgrenaide Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Learning speed; What does it all affect? What is considered fast LS? What is so low he needs to be retired? just to name a few ???'s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDisney Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Learning speed only affects how quickly your fighter learns in the gym. Fastest learning speed is supposed to be 7.5 (Greasemonkey) but the fastest I've seen since the last training changes is 7.2. Anything lower than 5.5 is too slow for me, and trust me, even with 1 on 1 private elite training it will seem slower than Chinese water torture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 how are these #s calculated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 7.2 I must be so unlucky in the learning skills department, the fastest learner I have ever had in my tycoon career has been around 4.3 tops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 You train useless secondary skill (no points added) with Elite coach on 1on1 session, and use skills snapshot and greasemonkey scripts (in TycoonTools) to check what is the new value of that skill after one session. You start from 1.95, and the max is 7.5 (i.e. max increase is 5.55). People have different preferences what is good enough learning speed to keep. For example if the new value is 4, that is really low, but fighter could still have good other hiddens and he could be decent KT fighter, no need to train everything. I just got my best learner, 1.95->7.35 with coach with 140 skill points (i.e. not max Elite what should be used). Actually out of my 12 fighters (18 year olds) I just made when I got back to the game, 9 have learning speed over 5 and 7 over 6. Either I'm lucky or there have been tweaks in training speeds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 in VeikkoK case, he got max training cause the coach was so much higher then his fighter. Think it's like 30 or 40 points higher on coach you will get max training (or there about). Note: Many people use 5.5 to 6.0 as a min learning (right or wrong) that might be the average that many use to decide to keep or cut. Again hiddens come into play so you might keep a slower one cause of good hiddens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Tested my first 18 yr old today - 4.65.. Not bothered if : 7.2 I must be so unlucky in the learning skills department, the fastest learner I have ever had in my tycoon career has been around 4.3 tops and you are having an alright Tycoon career! I noticed if you hover your mouse over the green arrows in the tycoon assistant page you can see the points gained per session to 2 decimal places. Is this the same data as the greasemonkey script shows us? If a guy trains in a new skill with 100% energy, elite 1on1, 18 yr old, etc etc and lets say he popped first time - you could read off the same value via the hovering-over-the-green-arrow technique, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Tested my first 18 yr old today - 4.65.. Not bothered if : and you are having an alright Tycoon career! I noticed if you hover your mouse over the green arrows in the tycoon assistant page you can see the points gained per session to 2 decimal places. Is this the same data as the greasemonkey script shows us? If a guy trains in a new skill with 100% energy, elite 1on1, 18 yr old, etc etc and lets say he popped first time - you could read off the same value via the hovering-over-the-green-arrow technique, right? Tehnically you could but youre never going to pop the first time you train a skill starting at 1.95. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 what if you hover over the green arrow and it says 7.29 pop, does that mean my fighter pops at that rate as his average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 what if you hover over the green arrow and it says 7.29 pop, does that mean my fighter pops at that rate as his average? First of all what skill was this? Ive never heard of a secondary popping that much, was it strength or conditioning? If so, physicals work differently than secondaries, you cant compare the learning speed of the two. If it was a secondary congratu-fu**ing-lations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 That is the gain from the session i.e. x-1.95 where x is the new value and 1.95 was the initial value at creation. When people talk about learning speed, they are talking about that x, which is claimed to have maximum value of 7.5 (in case of secondaries), so the maximum gain would be 5.55. I have started to wander if that cap really is 7.5 is as I once again got a new fighter with 7.1... My worse was 3.9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 it was for a strength session. let me try and ask again. what if you hover over the green arrow and it says 4.63 pop (in a punches session), does that mean my fighter pops at that rate as his average (as a minimum because i don't know what value he started from)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 It means that in the session which caused the pop your fighter gained 4.63 skill points in that particular skill. So for example fighter's striking defense skill is 18.00, and then you train it more, and you have a pop, and in the green arrow it says 3.5. That means that fighter gained 3.5 points which lead to that pop, as now the skill is 21.5 (pops happen when you get to next tenth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 It means that in the session which caused the pop your fighter gained 4.63 skill points in that particular skill. So for example fighter's striking defense skill is 18.00, and then you train it more, and you have a pop, and in the green arrow it says 3.5. That means that fighter gained 3.5 points which lead to that pop, as now the skill is 21.5 (pops happen when you get to next tenth). i see, does that mean that he got 4.63 on that skill plus some more on related skills? that would mean he is popping over 5 as an average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 i see, does that mean that he got 4.63 on that skill plus some more on related skills? that would mean he is popping over 5 as an average? Thats not really how it works. That number only refers to this specific circumstance. When you train a low skill you pop much faster than when you train a high skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Do you know - do fighters ever have faster learning speeds towards some secondaries than others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 So does it mean my new fighter is a halfwit if he only does a 3.45? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Yes, assuming you are talking about moving from 1.95 to 3.45 (not the gain of 3.45 i.e. 1.95, which would be average and depending other hiddens could be a keeper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 No, he gained 3.45.. thank god he didn't only gain 1.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 No Bwang, learning speed is a constant. The only difference is how high each secondary skill is: the higher the skill, the slower it trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Learning speed hidden is constant except age decreases it. And of course coach's skill, number of other fighters training, energy and morale levels affect to the amount of points gained per session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 So does it mean my new fighter is a halfwit if he only does a 3.45? Just to point out something again: a fighter can have max intelligence but slow learning, it doesn't make him dumb just a slow learner. The opposite can be true also a max learner and very low on intelligence, they are completely separate things and have nothing to do with each other (learning speed and intelligence are not the same thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Again I got fighter who went from 1.95 to 7.35 in one session, starting to doubt that 7.5 is maximum, or maybe I'm just awfully lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 no one has ever posted they had higher then 7.5 that I have seen, so I'm pretty sure that is the max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Just though that maybe there have been changes in learning speed recently, but according to wiki it should actually be slower on the lower end than year ago. I wonder what he minimum learning speed is, worst of my current batch of fighters had 3.9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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