goodtymes31 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 At Pulse, I have been trying to offer an alternative for those not looking to send all of their fighters to the big 3. Empyrian has done an outstanding job as well as Pride, but now with CEC getting bigger, and raking in all the cash, they are able to book events in the Big arenas way further out than us other orgs can afford to, and eventually is going to force me to sell to CEC too. I know this has been discussed in the past, but do we think Mike might be open to another big arena? Or does anyone even care at this point? I hate to sound like sour grapes, I will suck it up and do what I need to, but just extremely frustrating. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 If you can get Mike to do ANYTHING game related, you deserve a medal. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Ask Mike, maybe he can covert the Tokyo Dome to a 92k arena, i do not think this is something that will take any time whatsoever. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 It would be nice if there were more bigger arenas and limitations in place so that the richest orgs don't just monopolise them. Also, I personally hate to see perfectly good orgs get bought out by bigger ones for no reason other than big bags of cash being thrown at them. If Pulse was to meet this same fate I'd be terribly upset. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmartin11 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 The only options you really have is to pick an off day or book like 6 months in advance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 It would be nice if there were more bigger arenas and limitations in place so that the richest orgs don't just monopolise them. Also, I personally hate to see perfectly good orgs get bought out by bigger ones for no reason other than big bags of cash being thrown at them. If Pulse was to meet this same fate I'd be terribly upset. Orgs closing due to "big bags of cash being thrown at them" is very rarely the reason. 90% of the time it is related to burn out, lack of interest or simply real life. At that point, org owners care less about the "big piles of cash" because they do not care about the game, so that cash is pretty much worthless. I have merged several orgs in the past and in most cases i paid little to nothing, the org owner simply wanted to give his fighters a place to relocate and that was it. In regards to the big arena, i do not mind there being a 3rd one, it makes sense. The Tokyo Dome is essentially a big arena, just not as big as the LA/London one, so making it a proper sized 92k seems like the easiest solution here. Another solution is to simply remove the depreciating returns for Sunday events, that way we wont need a different/new arena. Lets assume that Mike is too lazy to change anything or he does not think it is necessary, the existing arena's have spaces on Friday/Sunday. There is a -10% hit, due to the depreciating returns, however that is not catastrophic for sure, a top level org can more than be competitive even if they get that -10% hit. I know, i was in that same position as i had to "wait my turn" until one of the then top 3 (NFC/Empire (the old one) and Ascension) closed down or merged. End of the day, this is a grinding game, it takes you 2 years to develop a fighter and having a top PPV level org also takes years as well. It took me over 4 years to become a consistent PPV level org and another 2 1/2 years before i could secure a Saturday slot and even then i did not have the Saturday slot every week until about 2 years ago. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 The big 3 should focus on good old fashion recruiting instead of falling to shambles and then buying entire healthy orgs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 The big 3 should focus on good old fashion recruiting instead of falling to shambles and then buying entire healthy orgs. That is by far the main form of recruiting. Merging orgs is extremely rare, GAMMA has had 3 in 10 1/2 years and in every case we merged an org, it was because the owner of that org wanted to offload their org. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Dude dont spill the gold mcnuggets like this, snowflakes cant handle the truth. End of the day, this is a grinding game, it takes you 2 years to develop a fighter and having a top PPV level org also takes years as well. It took me over 4 years to become a consistent PPV level org and another 2 1/2 years before i could secure a Saturday slot and even then i did not have the Saturday slot every week until about 2 years ago. ============================================================== Nice reading about org owning BTS Orgs closing due to "big bags of cash being thrown at them" is very rarely the reason. 90% of the time it is related to burn out, lack of interest or simply real life. At that point, org owners care less about the "big piles of cash" because they do not care about the game, so that cash is pretty much worthless. I have merged several orgs in the past and in most cases i paid little to nothing, the org owner simply wanted to give his fighters a place to relocate and that was it. In regards to the big arena, i do not mind there being a 3rd one, it makes sense. The Tokyo Dome is essentially a big arena, just not as big as the LA/London one, so making it a proper sized 92k seems like the easiest solution here. Another solution is to simply remove the depreciating returns for Sunday events, that way we wont need a different/new arena. Lets assume that Mike is too lazy to change anything or he does not think it is necessary, the existing arena's have spaces on Friday/Sunday. There is a -10% hit, due to the depreciating returns, however that is not catastrophic for sure, a top level org can more than be competitive even if they get that -10% hit. I know, i was in that same position as i had to "wait my turn" until one of the then top 3 (NFC/Empire (the old one) and Ascension) closed down or merged. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Orgs closing due to "big bags of cash being thrown at them" is very rarely the reason. 90% of the time it is related to burn out, lack of interest or simply real life. At that point, org owners care less about the "big piles of cash" because they do not care about the game, so that cash is pretty much worthless. I have merged several orgs in the past and in most cases i paid little to nothing, the org owner simply wanted to give his fighters a place to relocate and that was it. Of course I understand that, I'm all too familiar with those circumstances. But I was specifically referencing those particular cases in the past where an org was bought over / merged / closed as a result of a hefty buyout, as I've seen it happen a bunch and it has been quite sad to see. I don't blame the owners who are burning out though as running orgs is no easy task - hell, I'd probably sell Budokai if the right person offered the right number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 42? hell, I'd probably sell Budokai if the right person offered the right number. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmartin11 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 how much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestever Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 As the owner of Pride, I can attest to the current struggle. I have started booking Wednesday’s in the big arenas for myself just to get the big shows. I have also sold for big bag of cash only to return 4 months later when that person got bored. I very much enjoy and care about all aspects of the game. I’m a year in and have just started seeing break even PPVs, so the climb for me is just beginning. (I have turned down multiple offers to sell recently) I along with EMP and Pulse have to make sure the grind is worth the effort because it is a grind. At this current stage Wombley: every Saturday booked till March 2020 and every Sunday booked till the end of 2019 LAMC: the next 6 Friday’s, only 2 Saturday’s though the rest of 2019, and all Sundays booked till December As examples. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodtymes31 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's also tough because having those prime arena slots leads to higher profits, and then they have unlimited cash to buy other orgs and to sign all of the top FAs. While I agree that a lot of orgs sell because of burnout, I came very close to selling for a stupid amount of in game cash, just for the cash, with the plan of starting another org. The "burnout" I am facing, is that despite coming out of pocket to buy cash a couple times to stay afloat initially, now that I am at a point where I can afford top FA's, very few of them go anywhere other than the top 3 orgs, regardless of how much I offer, or how much I recruit, they just want to go to the top 3. So my "burnout" is not tiring of the game, it's tiring from topping out and hitting a level where it's impossible to get any bigger, because while people say they like having a variety of orgs, all of the top guys go to the big orgs anyway. And we can't recruit any of the top fighters because they wont give us a chance (unless me, Pride, and Emp cannabalize each other), and now we can't even book the prime days in the big arenas, so the gap never closes, we burn out, we sell, and then someone else eventually takes our place. Wash, rinse, repeat 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodtymes31 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Orgs closing due to "big bags of cash being thrown at them" is very rarely the reason. 90% of the time it is related to burn out, lack of interest or simply real life. At that point, org owners care less about the "big piles of cash" because they do not care about the game, so that cash is pretty much worthless. I have merged several orgs in the past and in most cases i paid little to nothing, the org owner simply wanted to give his fighters a place to relocate and that was it. In regards to the big arena, i do not mind there being a 3rd one, it makes sense. The Tokyo Dome is essentially a big arena, just not as big as the LA/London one, so making it a proper sized 92k seems like the easiest solution here. Another solution is to simply remove the depreciating returns for Sunday events, that way we wont need a different/new arena. Lets assume that Mike is too lazy to change anything or he does not think it is necessary, the existing arena's have spaces on Friday/Sunday. There is a -10% hit, due to the depreciating returns, however that is not catastrophic for sure, a top level org can more than be competitive even if they get that -10% hit. I know, i was in that same position as i had to "wait my turn" until one of the then top 3 (NFC/Empire (the old one) and Ascension) closed down or merged. End of the day, this is a grinding game, it takes you 2 years to develop a fighter and having a top PPV level org also takes years as well. It took me over 4 years to become a consistent PPV level org and another 2 1/2 years before i could secure a Saturday slot and even then i did not have the Saturday slot every week until about 2 years ago. I don't really disagree with any of this, except one of the facts is wrong. Saturday and Sunday have identical results right now, you get the depreciating return on the Friday slot. And I don't really even mind waiting my turn, the issue is we now have one org taking up 2 of those Sat/Sun slots, when in reality they could be doing Fri/Sat and leaving the Sunday slots alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's also tough because having those prime arena slots leads to higher profits, and then they have unlimited cash to buy other orgs and to sign all of the top FAs. While I agree that a lot of orgs sell because of burnout, I came very close to selling for a stupid amount of in game cash, just for the cash, with the plan of starting another org. The "burnout" I am facing, is that despite coming out of pocket to buy cash a couple times to stay afloat initially, now that I am at a point where I can afford top FA's, very few of them go anywhere other than the top 3 orgs, regardless of how much I offer, or how much I recruit, they just want to go to the top 3. So my "burnout" is not tiring of the game, it's tiring from topping out and hitting a level where it's impossible to get any bigger, because while people say they like having a variety of orgs, all of the top guys go to the big orgs anyway. And we can't recruit any of the top fighters because they wont give us a chance (unless me, Pride, and Emp cannabalize each other), and now we can't even book the prime days in the big arenas, so the gap never closes, we burn out, we sell, and then someone else eventually takes our place. Wash, rinse, repeat At least you have the best fighter in the game signed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 At least you have the best fighter in the game signed Used to. Sendou retired recently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Used to. Sendou retired recently! Don't you have a logo to work on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 I don't really disagree with any of this, except one of the facts is wrong. Saturday and Sunday have identical results right now, you get the depreciating return on the Friday slot. And I don't really even mind waiting my turn, the issue is we now have one org taking up 2 of those Sat/Sun slots, when in reality they could be doing Fri/Sat and leaving the Sunday slots alone. Well it is not easy for any one org to hold onto 2 slots per week for long periods of time. You need to have the talent available to pull that off, if not the gains will be less than the losses due to the lower average hype of each event and the diminishing returns. He could do it to simply hit the other orgs, but it is not easy pulling something like that off forever. I think if Mike totally removes the differences or at least makes Friday + Wednesday the same as Saturday + Sunday, the issue will be solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmartin11 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's also tough because having those prime arena slots leads to higher profits, and then they have unlimited cash to buy other orgs and to sign all of the top FAs. While I agree that a lot of orgs sell because of burnout, I came very close to selling for a stupid amount of in game cash, just for the cash, with the plan of starting another org. The "burnout" I am facing, is that despite coming out of pocket to buy cash a couple times to stay afloat initially, now that I am at a point where I can afford top FA's, very few of them go anywhere other than the top 3 orgs, regardless of how much I offer, or how much I recruit, they just want to go to the top 3. So my "burnout" is not tiring of the game, it's tiring from topping out and hitting a level where it's impossible to get any bigger, because while people say they like having a variety of orgs, all of the top guys go to the big orgs anyway. And we can't recruit any of the top fighters because they wont give us a chance (unless me, Pride, and Emp cannabalize each other), and now we can't even book the prime days in the big arenas, so the gap never closes, we burn out, we sell, and then someone else eventually takes our place. Wash, rinse, repeat I sold DUEL for 5 Million and then started Empire and have about 1.5 Million into it. I got bored of DUEL and started Empire to return my interest. It has achieved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmartin11 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's also tough because having those prime arena slots leads to higher profits, and then they have unlimited cash to buy other orgs and to sign all of the top FAs. While I agree that a lot of orgs sell because of burnout, I came very close to selling for a stupid amount of in game cash, just for the cash, with the plan of starting another org. The "burnout" I am facing, is that despite coming out of pocket to buy cash a couple times to stay afloat initially, now that I am at a point where I can afford top FA's, very few of them go anywhere other than the top 3 orgs, regardless of how much I offer, or how much I recruit, they just want to go to the top 3. So my "burnout" is not tiring of the game, it's tiring from topping out and hitting a level where it's impossible to get any bigger, because while people say they like having a variety of orgs, all of the top guys go to the big orgs anyway. And we can't recruit any of the top fighters because they wont give us a chance (unless me, Pride, and Emp cannabalize each other), and now we can't even book the prime days in the big arenas, so the gap never closes, we burn out, we sell, and then someone else eventually takes our place. Wash, rinse, repeat If you have enough convincing skills, you can recruit just about anybody. I had a top 5 org with DUEL despite giving fighters no more than 15/15/15 contracts. It's possible with enough time and effort. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 If you have enough convincing skills, you can recruit just about anybody. You and I both that isn't quite accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmartin11 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 You and I both that isn't quite accurate "Just about" A lot of people will choose to chase the money, but you can still run a very good org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodtymes31 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 "Just about" A lot of people will choose to chase the money, but you can still run a very good org. I'd like to think I am doing that. I am ranked 4th right now, and have a 97% approval rating, and a very loyal group of fighters. I just dont think I could grow if I wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 Easy solution... Add big arena in every city? Or eliminate 92k arenas to get rid of $ printing. IRL how many 90k arenas have MMA filled? Point made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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