Guest Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Martel was happy to accept the challenge, and as Mr. Karter points out, step up two weight classes against a much bigger opponent, and still be able to get the TKO finish. Credit to Raph he came to fight and gave a good scrap the whole way through, but as usually happens in these fights the better man won the day. Thanks for the tilt Raph I'm sure we'll tangle again at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Martel was happy to accept the challenge, and as Mr. Karter points out, step up two weight classes against a much bigger opponent, and still be able to get the TKO finish. Credit to Raph he came to fight and gave a good scrap the whole way through, but as usually happens in these fights the better lighter man won the day. Thanks for the tilt Raph I'm sure we'll tangle again at some point. Sounds good, but the reality of it isn't as impressive. Congrats on the win though, it was an impressive finish no doubt - but the mechanics behind the engine results are lame. You should go fight Otso and enjoy similar results. Just like Don Marciano had to cut weight to avenge his loss to Trey Marshall, and Taj al Din and Grossman had to cut weight to avenge their losses to Kenji... insert list of numerous examples here... I expect Raph will cut weight and avenge his loss to Martel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Sounds good, but the reality of it isn't as impressive. Congrats on the win though, it was an impressive finish no doubt - but the mechanics behind the engine results are lame. You should go fight Otso and enjoy similar results. Just like Don Marciano had to cut weight to avenge his loss to Trey Marshall, and Taj al Din and Grossman had to cut weight to avenge their losses to Kenji... insert list of numerous examples here... I expect Raph will cut weight and avenge his loss to Martel. Hey! Hey! Hey! I have heard the talk about the lighter fighter holding some kind of advantage in fights such as this, but if I'm being completely honest I've never done any research into it. If Raph wants to cut some weight before we tussle again obviously Martel is cool with that, and as I stated before I'm sure the two of them will meet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortfuse122829 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Sounds good, but the reality of it isn't as impressive. Congrats on the win though, it was an impressive finish no doubt - but the mechanics behind the engine results are lame. You should go fight Otso and enjoy similar results. Just like Don Marciano had to cut weight to avenge his loss to Trey Marshall, and Taj al Din and Grossman had to cut weight to avenge their losses to Kenji... insert list of numerous examples here... I expect Raph will cut weight and avenge his loss to Martel. You're funny dude. Anytime you guys lose there is an excuse. This weight advantage is 1 that is constantly used, but what I don't understand is why accept fights against lighter opponents then? It wasn't that long ago that you were verbally offered Pat McDermot for Taj or Diggs and you verbally declined with both due to his being a middleweight. Diggs very next fight? Boba Fett. A middleweight with bleeding issues. So the weight disadvantage is ok if you think there is something exploitable? The fact is, Marciano hadn't beaten anyone worth talking about so his record is impressive but Martel is the more proven fighter. I can't say I am super impressed by the win, impressed with the fashion sure...but I fully expected Martel to run through this dude. Welcome to the big leagues 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 You're funny dude. Anytime you guys lose there is an excuse. This weight advantage is 1 that is constantly used, but what I don't understand is why accept fights against lighter opponents then? It wasn't that long ago that you were verbally offered Pat McDermot for Taj or Diggs and you verbally declined with both due to his being a middleweight. Diggs very next fight? Boba Fett. A middleweight with bleeding issues. So the weight disadvantage is ok if you think there is something exploitable? The fact is, Marciano hadn't beaten anyone worth talking about so his record is impressive but Martel is the more proven fighter. I can't say I am super impressed by the win, impressed with the fashion sure...but I fully expected Martel to run through this dude. Welcome to the big leagues I think the funniest part of this quote is the last line, and it's for two reasons - Inferring that Raph isn't in "the big leagues," but that you are. All that aside, congrats CGrace - well done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italscratch Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 The fact is, Marciano hadn't beaten anyone worth talking about so his record is impressive but Martel is the more proven fighter. I can't say I am super impressed by the win, impressed with the fashion sure...but I fully expected Martel to run through this dude. Welcome to the big leagues well, wouldnt go so far, he's fought many who are "respectable", but if you dont belive it, Myton vs any of your HW, should be at least interesting bloodbath... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortfuse122829 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 wrong Marciano I think Ital, we weren't discussing Don. He is clearly a bad ass and beaten many top notch fighters. Ralph is a 155er and beaten a couple alright guys but no1 special or relevant to the top of the weight class, Martel was his first true test. I'd fight Myton though for sure though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Karter has a point about the weight thing. It does work against guys but not to the lengths that its a speed advantage etc. Its more of a doesn't get gassed as easy. It is still possible to win fights with the bigger fighter but you look at Tonal. How he ran through Mjolnir and Glory. Two of the top HW's yet he struggled and got gassed against two Middleweights. Sunny and Kalle both nearly beat him. Kalle had the unfortunate FFD while mounted and basically got wiped clean out. They are many cases of it. If you have big power and are the smaller fighter chances are you will knock the other guy out because he will body rock easier. As i said it is just easier. Thing is though, Gein knocked out Martel. He is around the same weight and height as Marciano. Its not a perfect system but yeah it is there a difference but its not a death sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Sounds good, but the reality of it isn't as impressive. Congrats on the win though, it was an impressive finish no doubt - but the mechanics behind the engine results are lame. You should go fight Otso and enjoy similar results. Just like Don Marciano had to cut weight to avenge his loss to Trey Marshall, and Taj al Din and Grossman had to cut weight to avenge their losses to Kenji... insert list of numerous examples here... I expect Raph will cut weight and avenge his loss to Martel. Duphus puts on his smack talk hat: There seems to be convicted water all over the place and it ain't piss, seems it's tears. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Karter has a point about the weight thing. It does work against guys but not to the lengths that its a speed advantage etc. Its more of a doesn't get gassed as easy. It is still possible to win fights with the bigger fighter but you look at Tonal. How he ran through Mjolnir and Glory. Two of the top HW's yet he struggled and got gassed against two Middleweights. Sunny and Kalle both nearly beat him. Kalle had the unfortunate FFD while mounted and basically got wiped clean out. They are many cases of it. If you have big power and are the smaller fighter chances are you will knock the other guy out because he will body rock easier. As i said it is just easier. Thing is though, Gein knocked out Martel. He is around the same weight and height as Marciano. Its not a perfect system but yeah it is there a difference but its not a death sentence. In Martel's defense, dear dinooo, I totaly fucked him over in that fight. He was mistakenly set to 95% takedowns. The coming rubber match should set things straight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showdown Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Duphus puts on his smack talk hat: There seems to be convicted water all over the place and it ain't piss, seems it's tears. Hang on a second there, chief.... didn't you have 2 guys with 12-fight winning streaks snapped by Djoser Rei smashing their faces in? Yeah, pretty sure that wasn't water. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Hang on a second there, chief.... didn't you have 2 guys with 12-fight winning streaks snapped by Djoser Rei smashing their faces in? Yeah, pretty sure that wasn't water. Come on now that's not fair! Djoser Rei isn't even human! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Hang on a second there, chief.... didn't you have 2 guys with 12-fight winning streaks snapped by Djoser Rei smashing their faces in? Yeah, pretty sure that wasn't water. Again refer to the weight post by Karter, I only lost cause both my guys were too heavy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 You're funny dude1. Anytime you guys lose there is an excuse. This weight advantage is 1 that is constantly used, but what I don't understand is why accept fights against lighter opponents then?2 It wasn't that long ago3 that you were verbally offered Pat McDermot for Taj or Diggs and you verbally declined with both due to his being a middleweight. Diggs very next fight? Boba Fett. A middleweight with bleeding issues. So the weight disadvantage is ok if you think there is something exploitable? The fact is, Marciano hadn't beaten anyone worth talking about so his record is impressive but Martel is the more proven fighter. I can't say I am super impressed by the win, impressed with the fashion sure...but I fully expected Martel to run through this dude. Welcome to the big leagues 1: I have my moments. 2: Stubborn and desire to fight as frequently and often as possible. 3: 7+ months... pretty long ago. The underlined is nonsense. I was either offered Pat with Moses 7+ months ago and declined fighting a MW, or declined fighting a MW right after Diggs lost a decision to one . Not sure the sequence of events that took place, but I reluctantly took the fight against Fett and tried cutting weight off Diggs. Pretty sure Diggs was sitting in limbo or had no opponent available, but I can't remember non-important series of events from a week ago yet alone 7+ months ago. Looking back on it I can't see why Diggs would fight Pat? Diggs was the champ, Pat was a MW contender. Boba was the MW champ. I'm sure Chuck or the staff could recall the events that took place, but it really doesn't matter. Since then, I have said (multiple times) Diggs would fight Pat. Diggs vs Fett 1 (loss): 216 vs 197 Diggs vs Fett 2 (win): 204 vs 197 Don Marciano vs Trey Marshall 1 (loss): 257 vs 220 Don Marciano vs Trey Marshall 2 (win): 236 vs 220 Taj vs Kenji 1 (loss): 216 vs 203 Taj vs Kenji 2 (win): 207 vs 203 Pattern? The only fight where sliders were substantially different from the first fights were in the Taj vs Kenji fight. So what was the reason I lost the first fights and won the second ones? I'd contribute it to the weight gap but I guess that's making an excuse Duphus puts on his smack talk hat: There seems to be convicted water all over the place and it ain't piss, seems it's tears. Karter would talk smack to Duphushttp://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w195/kookybooboo/Emoticons/PissingMonkeySmiley.gif, but he doesn't know who he is or who any of his fighters are: When an individual has the #1 P4P fighter in the game, 2 fighters in the top 10 P4P, 5 fighters top 10 W/C, 7 fighters top 100 P4P, even your tears are filled with excellence. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/peeing-in-the-snow.gif 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 First time Chuck and the Empire Boys brought up Diggs to me to fight McDermot was before the great Fett robbery. So it was in either Oct or Nov. I was all for it but Boba Fett and his friendly judges derailed that fun. Diggs/McDermot would have been great, but it looks like Diggs has been struggling a bit lately. I hope you get him back on track so you can try and avenge the one-sided beating Pat put on the over-hyped Evangelisti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 We weren't impressed with McDermot's best impression of Kid Torres and his 70+ leg kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 We weren't impressed with McDermot's best impression of Kid Torres and his 70+ leg kicks. I was impressed with how easily Pat handled a fighter that you were hyping as the potentially scariest man on the planet. Pat wiped the floor with Evangelisti, the fight was never even close. McDermot outlanded him two to one, punches and kicks, while Evangelisti was embarrassing himself swinging at air. If Gable had still cared at that point I'm sure Fett would have smashed him too. In favor of your winner, by unanimous decision... Pat McDermot! Post fight, an emotional Pat McDermot said 'This guy was a jobber, he got fat on canned goods.'. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 That was a close round but I would say that Dante Evangelisti will probably get the nod. A close second round but Pat McDermot will probably get the nod - 10:9. First two rounds were close. Pat won the decision, congrats, Dante's a bad man so that's an impressive victory. Dante finished Fett, something Pat couldn't do in 2 fights. Kane Yamada isn't a can either, another fighter that Dante finished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 With a couple of exceptions, I have had much more success being the larger fighter in fights where there is a large weight discrepancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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