Check this anti gun bullshit out.

[TJMitchell]

 

 

What hope have you got really

[Rambo]

 

 

What hope have you got really

 

is that real or is that some fb / twitter nonsense ?

 

 

and another question; how many bogus calls, false tips, troll attempts do they get every day?

 

not giving them an excuse but that's the only logical explanation for info like that getting skipped over.

[TJMitchell]

 

is that real or is that some fb / twitter nonsense ?

 

 

and another question; how many bogus calls, false tips, troll attempts do they get every day?

 

not giving them an excuse but that's the only logical explanation for info like that getting skipped over.

 

That is a press release from the FBI National Press Office.

 

And as for bogus calls sure they'd get them all the time but this one included so much information someone had to look into it surely.

[Guest]

I thought this was a good article. I enjoy when someone takes the time to do some research. Hyperlink below.

 

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

[bazzypants]

 

True. Still applies to you for commenting on my comment that was directed towards the Chris Kyle situation that guns don't protect people.

 

Guns very much protect people. Guns prevent crimes just as much as they enable them. Even criminals don't want to break into a house and get shot.

 

 

All the things I can think of end up with a morality issue. Chop off the foot to save a leg? Necessary evil for the greater good?

 

• Population control...
• Media change. Culture change. Ban "freedoms" and "liberties" americans (and the western world in general) feel entitled to...
• Evolution...

The disease is too wide-spread. The culture too far embraced. and people are just flat out too fucking retarded for their own good.

 

Our country was founded on armed revolution. The "Right to Bare Arms" is in the very roots of our society. It's very hard to convince 'proud' people any differently. It doesn't help that people don't trust the government. I would say it's a damn near 50/50 split. Hell, Trump got elected because people were that sick of political BS, lies, shadow wars, etc. A lot of the people that voted for Trump are poor fuckin idiots that live in the woods and jerk off to the bible, but a lot of really smart people voted for him based on the hope that he "burns washington to the ground" and we can rebuild and learn from our mistakes and starting over.

 

If a government you don't trust tries to tell a law-abiding citizen "we're going to disarm you" when all you see on the news is shootings, crimes, political controversy - that individual isn't going to support that.

 

Our country and the western world in general are soft. They're soft on crimes against humanity (rape, molestation, sex offenders, child abuse, animal abuse, animal torture, animal fighting, etc) and if they were to publically mutilate and humiliate the ever living shit out of one of these school shooters it would deter quite a few shootings. There's plenty of people that go into it suicidal, but there's plenty of others that don't want to die and get detained. Those fuckers need to be made an example out of. String them up, put it on every news station, torture em, hang him, set them on fire, do whatever you got to do to put the fear in people. Right now we baby high profile inmates and give them protection. Back in the day they were thrown to the wolves in GP.

 

 

 

btw my favorite argument for the amendments that were written over 100 years ago... "it's our right! it's our first amendment!" and most of these fuckers don't know wtf an Amendment even is. It's an Amendment! The very definition of that fucking word is to change or add.

Apologies for not being able to bold but the part where you say 'publically mutilate and humiliate the shit out of one of these schools shooters' as a way of stoping future attacks seems misguided. Most, if not all, of the people that commit these shooting attacks seem to suffering from mental health issues. I would have thought providing better mental health care and increasing ability to identify who has mental health issues might be a better course of action.

 

I do find the part you say about lack of trust in the government interesting. Again from my personal experience in Australia most people have a build in distrust of the government but obviously not to the point where we feel the need to arm ourselves against them. That's why is nice to get an American perspective.

 

As for America being soft of crime, from afar that doesn't seem the case. Several of your states still have the death penality for murder so I'm not sure harsher penalties are the answer.

[Trump2020]

[Grasman]

 

Our country and the western world in general are soft. They're soft on crimes against humanity (rape, molestation, sex offenders, child abuse, animal abuse, animal torture, animal fighting, etc) and if they were to publically mutilate and humiliate the ever living shit out of one of these school shooters it would deter quite a few shootings. There's plenty of people that go into it suicidal, but there's plenty of others that don't want to die and get detained. Those fuckers need to be made an example out of. String them up, put it on every news station, torture em, hang him, set them on fire, do whatever you got to do to put the fear in people. Right now we baby high profile inmates and give them protection. Back in the day they were thrown to the wolves in GP.

 

Pretty saddening to read this crap from you,, sorry bud.. I like you as a person, but this shit, is just a sad statement that detracts from you character..

 

The US is very hard on crime, compared to ANY civilized country.

If you exclude the total fucking nut-job dictators of this world, the US is THE hardest on crime.... Period.

(even including them, The US top them all in prison inmate numbers (excluding only the Seychelles islands)

The US pisses all over China, Russia, North Korea, when it comes to incarceration of its citizens.

Prison population in the USA, is a world record!

On top of that, one of the worlds biggest, if the the world record of re-offenders...

And what has that led you guys to....

 

Out of 10.35 million people imprisoned worldwide.

2.2-2.4 million of those, are imprisoned in the USA.

That's c.a. 22% of the worlds prison population...

However, the USA is only c.a. 3.75% of the total world population

 

Almost a useless bankrupt punishment system, since re-offending is so common.

 

SAD!

 

While the European system is based on rehabilitation of those prisoners and has fewer re-offender percentage.... shit that has been proven to work.

They punish with a prison sentence, but actually have a system aimed at helping those prisoners back into society, as a law abiding citizen.

It doesn't work on everyone, but it works well for the majority if prison releases.

[Trump2020]

 

Out of 10.35 million people imprisoned worldwide.

2.2-2.4 million of those, are imprisoned in the USA.

That's c.a. 22% of the worlds prison population...

However, the USA is only c.a. 3.75% of the total world population

 

 

Is this true? Where you got information from? If its really true its crazy.

 

And I would not lie I think we need death penaly back for these sort of crimes.

[Grasman]

 

Is this true? Where you got information from? If its really true its crazy.

 

And I would not lie I think we need death penaly back for these sort of crimes.

http://www.prisonstudies.org/news/more-1035-million-people-are-prison-around-world-new-report-shows

 

You can see these number at various official sources... this is just one of many.

 

The US already has a death penalty for deadly attackers..... and uses it frequently...

 

Now, if you were planning to take an assault rifle to kill people at a public place.

You know you are going to die executing this... so how is the threat of a death penalty, going to scare you away from executing your plan?

[Trump2020]

http://www.prisonstudies.org/news/more-1035-million-people-are-prison-around-world-new-report-shows

 

You can see these number at various official sources... this is just one of many.

 

The US already has a death penalty for deadly attackers..... and uses it frequently...

 

Now, if you were planning to take an assault rifle to kill people at a public place.

You know you are going to die executing this... so how is the threat of a death penalty, going to scare you away from executing your plan?

 

Because not allways they give life for these crimes. I saw recently a documentary in Russian where a former gang killer got 20 years for 27 murders.

 

Also whats the point if keeping him in jail for 40 more years and waste our tax money?

[Grasman]

 

Because not allways they give life for these crimes. I saw recently a documentary in Russian where a former gang killer got 20 years for 27 murders.

 

Also whats the point if keeping him in jail for 40 more years and waste our tax money?

A Russian documentary about a Russian gang member? Corruption? Member of the "right" gang

 

Or a Russian documentary about an American gang member?

Easy to research if you give up the name of the individual.

 

But, I do not value any Russian "info", any more than a spit on the ground.

 

 

Regarding your last statement...

It's a much bigger punishment to rot away in a jail for donkeys years, even in a "humane prison", like that Norwegian Nazi murderer, Anders Breivik is in.

Than just to get it done and over with....

 

Personally, I'd prefer the latter...

[Trump2020]

A Russian documentary about a Russian gang member? Corruption? Member of the "right" gang

 

Or a Russian documentary about an American gang member?

Easy to research if you give up the name of the individual.

 

But, I do not value any Russian "info", any more than a spit on the ground.

 

 

Regarding your last statement...

It's a much bigger punishment to rot away in a jail for donkeys years, even in a "humane prison", like that Norwegian Nazi murderer, Anders Breivik is in.

Than just to get it done and over with....

 

Personally, I'd prefer the latter...

 

No he did snitch on crime boss but anyway he should be put to death.

 

Its much better to ''rot'' in prison than to ne put to death. We all know how prisons are now like you said in Norway he lives in better conditions than probably 80% of worlds population.

[Grasman]

 

No he did snitch on crime boss but anyway he should be put to death.

 

Its much better to ''rot'' in prison than to ne put to death. We all know how prisons are now like you said in Norway he lives in better conditions than probably 80% of worlds population.

I disagree.

 

No death penalty in the EU needed, with low crime and imprisonment rate.

The civilized western part of Europe suffers a bit from criminals from the eastern block, raising the crime rate.

But we are starting to deal with that, by sending the criminals back to their own country to serve their prison sentence.

[Rambo]

Pretty saddening to read this crap from you,, sorry bud.. I like you as a person, but this shit, is just a sad statement that detracts from you character..

 

The US is very hard on crime, compared to ANY civilized country.

If you exclude the total fucking nut-job dictators of this world, the US is THE hardest on crime.... Period.

(even including them, The US top them all in prison inmate numbers (excluding only the Seychelles islands)

The US pisses all over China, Russia, North Korea, when it comes to incarceration of its citizens.

Prison population in the USA, is a world record!

On top of that, one of the worlds biggest, if the the world record of re-offenders...

And what has that led you guys to....

 

Out of 10.35 million people imprisoned worldwide.

2.2-2.4 million of those, are imprisoned in the USA.

That's c.a. 22% of the worlds prison population...

However, the USA is only c.a. 3.75% of the total world population

 

Almost a useless bankrupt punishment system, since re-offending is so common.

 

SAD!

 

While the European system is based on rehabilitation of those prisoners and has fewer re-offender percentage.... shit that has been proven to work.

They punish with a prison sentence, but actually have a system aimed at helping those prisoners back into society, as a law abiding citizen.

It doesn't work on everyone, but it works well for the majority if prison releases.

 

 

U.S. is hard on petty crimes and soft on crimes against humanity. I'm not saying the U.S. needs to send more people to jail. On the contrary, I think we should stop sending some people there. If an individual doesn't think a pedophile should be gutted and hung in the street like '76 Iraq, you're soft. You don't realize the butterfly effect of damage and trauma that's getting spread.

 

if you don't think a rapist - not a "we were drinking and she might of passed out" rapist - but a stalker, knows her schedule, ambushes her at the door type shit - if you don't think that dude needs to be publically executed. You're soft (not directed at your per-say, but anybody who thinks that) and you'd make a very weak leader.

 

I didn't say the U.S. needs to be hard on crime. I didn't say they need to lock everybody up every time they step out of line. I'm talking about how we treat "Crimes against humanity". I almost caught a life sentence on a drug deal gone bad and some guy can molest children, rape children, violate another human being and he gets 4 years in and some probation time? Hell in some cases the dudes just end up in a treatment facility. Speaking of re-offender rate... how frequent does a pedophile or rapist repeat their offense? More often than not.

 

"Kill them all and let God sort em out."

 

Animal sacrifices are protected by religious freedom. That shit is nuts. You can throw your cat in a microwave and get probation time for animal cruelty or torture. Dog fight or kill dogs? Probation, maybe a prison sentence if you're rich like Michael Vick and they try to make an example out of you.

 

In reality, that person - be it adult or child - needs to be euthanized just like you would euthanize a rapid dog who bit somebody.

 

That's my problem - we're quick to kill animals, especially when they hurt a human being (which is often purely off instinct, being scared, protective, confused - they're animals...), but we're soft on human beings who can read, write, understand our language and ways. It's bullshit. It's weak. It's pathetic. We should kill pedophiles, rapist, animal abusers. There is absolutely no evidence out there that can convince me that my stance is wrong or would be ineffective.

 

 

 

Seriously people. WTF is wrong with yall when it comes to those crimes? If that was YOUR daughter, YOUR son, YOUR wife, YOUR dog or animals... what would you do to them? Ask for an apology? Pray for them? Speak to Jesus? Send them to a temporary living facility for a few years so they could get out and potentially do it again?

 

kill em all.

[Rambo]

Apologies for not being able to bold but the part where you say 'publically mutilate and humiliate the shit out of one of these schools shooters' as a way of stoping future attacks seems misguided. Most, if not all, of the people that commit these shooting attacks seem to suffering from mental health issues. I would have thought providing better mental health care and increasing ability to identify who has mental health issues might be a better course of action.

 

I do find the part you say about lack of trust in the government interesting. Again from my personal experience in Australia most people have a build in distrust of the government but obviously not to the point where we feel the need to arm ourselves against them. That's why is nice to get an American perspective.

 

As for America being soft of crime, from afar that doesn't seem the case. Several of your states still have the death penality for murder so I'm not sure harsher penalties are the answer.

 

The entire world should apply the death penalty for crimes against humanity.

 

if you need psychological treatment and medication to avoid shooting up a school full of children, you need to be put down. your brain is malfunctioned. you're no better than a rabid dog.

 

believe it or not, a lot of these little fuckers are just weak, frail, cowardly kids screaming for the world to notice them. They want to be remembered in a "position of power or fear" but they might not want to be remembered as the one who got Gaddafi'd on TV in front of everybody. They wanted people to fear them, remember, in some cases hear them, but you need to put fear in people for even considering doing something that.

 

 

I also think better parenting could help on both sides... from teaching your kids not to get a mob mentality and bully people or fuck with them for no reason.. to giving kids a little bit more attention than just shoving their face in technology and doping them up w/ medications.

[Rambo]

http://www.prisonstudies.org/news/more-1035-million-people-are-prison-around-world-new-report-shows

 

You can see these number at various official sources... this is just one of many.

 

The US already has a death penalty for deadly attackers..... and uses it frequently...

 

Now, if you were planning to take an assault rifle to kill people at a public place.

You know you are going to die executing this... so how is the threat of a death penalty, going to scare you away from executing your plan?

 

It's the method. Humiliate them. Put it on TV. They'll become a meme on the internet. That's not how they want to be remembered. Just some punk ass kid strung up like cattle getting his anus pounded by some make-shift anal-probe you'd find in Southpark.

 

 

 

it's not going to deter ALL cases. but if it even stops 1 or 2 school shootings, which it absolutely 100% would, you just saved some lives.

[Grasman]

 

It's the method. Humiliate them. Put it on TV. They'll become a meme on the internet. That's not how they want to be remembered. Just some punk ass kid strung up like cattle getting his anus pounded by some make-shift anal-probe you'd find in Southpark.

 

 

 

it's not going to deter ALL cases. but if it even stops 1 or 2 school shootings, which it absolutely 100% would, you just saved some lives.

Agreed!

Humiliate them, that's exactly how to deal with this type of trash....

 

Talk about these type of people as very mentally ill individuals..

Feel sorry for them, not scared of them...

 

Keep mentally deranged people far away from access to firearms.

Make it impossible for anyone to own military style weapons... Period.

And if allowed at all, only to be stored locked away at a shooting range.... (If caught anywhere outside of a shooting range, you get a mandatory prison sentence of 1 year,, minimum)

Make it harder to get a license for higher caliber guns, than it is to get government Security Clearance.

Minimum age to own any gun over 21 years... Possibly even 26 years of age (after the last developing brain connection for consequences, is in place)

etc.. etc...

 

But allow those "qualified enough" to own smaller caliber guns, to some extent.

 

That would put a brake on many these type of incidents...

[Grasman]

 

In reality, that person - be it adult or child - needs to be euthanized just like you would euthanize a rapid dog who bit somebody.

 

That's my problem - we're quick to kill animals, especially when they hurt a human being (which is often purely off instinct, being scared, protective, confused - they're animals...), but we're soft on human beings who can read, write, understand our language and ways. It's bullshit. It's weak. It's pathetic. We should kill pedophiles, rapist, animal abusers. There is absolutely no evidence out there that can convince me that my stance is wrong or would be ineffective.

 

 

 

Seriously people. WTF is wrong with yall when it comes to those crimes? If that was YOUR daughter, YOUR son, YOUR wife, YOUR dog or animals... what would you do to them? Ask for an apology? Pray for them? Speak to Jesus? Send them to a temporary living facility for a few years so they could get out and potentially do it again?

 

kill em all.

The problem with having a capital punishment, for example Rape, Pedofilia etc.. is that it is counter productive.

You end with more or less the same amount of rapes, but a lot of dead women and children on top of that.

 

If you get the same sentence for raping as you get for killing, then you kill everyone you rape...

Gets rid of the primary witness...

Not very complicated.

 

History has shown this to be the case.

 

Hence, civilized nations, have come away from this practise.

 

I would rather have my Wife/daughter raped and alive, than murdered, if that were the only two choices I had.

The same would go for myself... rather raped and alive, than dead.

[Rambo]

Agreed!

Humiliate them, that's exactly how to deal with this type of trash....

 

Talk about these type of people as very mentally ill individuals..

Feel sorry for them, not scared of them...

 

Keep mentally deranged people far away from access to firearms.

Make it impossible for anyone to own military style weapons... Period.

And if allowed at all, only to be stored locked away at a shooting range.... (If caught anywhere outside of a shooting range, you get a mandatory prison sentence of 1 year,, minimum)

Make it harder to get a license for higher caliber guns, than it is to get government Security Clearance.

Minimum age to own any gun over 21 years... Possibly even 26 years of age (after the last developing brain connection for consequences, is in place)

etc.. etc...

 

But allow those "qualified enough" to own smaller caliber guns, to some extent.

 

That would put a brake on many these type of incidents...

 

It should be much more difficult to obtain a gun legally than it is to get your drivers license.

 

 

but we were founded, literally speaking, on armed revolution. Our country exist because of it. How many people own "assault rifles" in America? How many people shoot each other with them? It's a very minuscule %.

 

 

but I'm ready to move on from the gun debate for the sake of not repeating myself, so...

 

The problem with having a capital punishment, for example Rape, Pedofilia etc.. is that it is counter productive.

You end with more or less the same amount of rapes, but a lot of dead women and children on top of that.

 

If you get the same sentence for raping as you get for killing, then you kill everyone you rape...

Gets rid of the primary witness...

Not very complicated.

 

History has shown this to be the case.

 

Hence, civilized nations, have come away from this practise.

 

the fear of consequence can prevent a crime; true or false?

[Guest]

Some of these arguments are just silly.

[Grasman]

the fear of consequence can prevent a crime; true or false?

It can yes, but in the severe cases, like mass murderers, it doesn't.

 

Thieves aren't the problem here, mass murderers are.

 

If one gets the same punishment for rape and for murder,

what factor in that punishment, will deter the rapist from murdering his victim?

[Rambo]

It can yes, but in the severe cases, like mass murderers, it doesn't.

 

Thieves aren't the problem here, mass murderers are.

 

If one get the same punishment for rape and for murder,

what factor in that punishment, will deter the rapist from murdering his victim?

 

# of rape incidents would decrease significantly.

[Grasman]

 

# of rape incidents would decrease significantly.

# of rape murders incidents would increase significantly.

[Rambo]

# of rape murders incidents would increase significantly.

 

I'd disagree with that.

 

but even if that were the case... so a few extra rape victims are murdered by rapist... but 1000's of rapes are prevented based off fear of consequence. The statistics won't balance out.

 

etc

 

most pedophiles and rapist are doing this shit in public places of 'trust' like churches, schools, camps. A lot of them aren't mentally capable of physically murdering something. I don't agree with your counter-argument here and I don't believe there's any significant evidence to say that it would be a substantial change.

[Guest]

Agreed!

Humiliate them, that's exactly how to deal with this type of trash....

 

Talk about these type of people as very mentally ill individuals..

Feel sorry for them, not scared of them...

 

Keep mentally deranged people far away from access to firearms.

Make it impossible for anyone to own military style weapons... Period.

And if allowed at all, only to be stored locked away at a shooting range.... (If caught anywhere outside of a shooting range, you get a mandatory prison sentence of 1 year,, minimum)

Make it harder to get a license for higher caliber guns, than it is to get government Security Clearance.

Minimum age to own any gun over 21 years... Possibly even 26 years of age (after the last developing brain connection for consequences, is in place)

etc.. etc...

 

But allow those "qualified enough" to own smaller caliber guns, to some extent.

 

That would put a brake on many these type of incidents...

 

 

Where is the logic with some of these statements? In the case of this last shooting, government failed in their part. There are already laws in place that if big brother did the basics and followed through on their end, it could have prevented it.. Unless he obtained the firearms illegally after he failed the background check. In that case all the laws would not have stopped it. So the solution to government failure is to give them more power to enact laws and regulations when they can't even do the ones they have now. Where is your anger and hostility towards the government employee who gets paid with your money to not do their job. Instead hold all legal and law-abiding citizens to face more restrictions from the very entity that fails over and over again.

Bro, if my wife fucks up cooking eggs, I don't want her preparing a ten course meal for the family. That's what you're saying with this statement. Well I know that they suck and can't do the job, but lets give them more to do. This is the statist way of thinking. Government sucks at everything, but we need them to fix the very problems they create. How can a logical person belive this?

"Keep mentally deranged people far away from access to firearms"

I agree but who decides what mentally deranged is? According to some anti-gun people, anyone who owns a gun is mentally deranged. I've seen this argument made. How about a government psychologist/psychiatrist who needs the system to pay their bills. So you get someone elected who can tell them what mentally deranged is according to their definition? So maybe at 19 I got into a fight and paid a small fine for disorderly conduct. Could the system not deem me a mentally deranged person because I displayed anger 20 years before? This is the tricky question that comes with this thought process. Just look how bad the no fly list is. People getting flagged for nothing. politicians, kids, war heros and senior citizens who have never had a parking ticket. No way I want an agency of the state to decide who is mentally capable of owning a firearm.

"Make it impossible for anyone to own military style weapons... Period"

This is how it already is for 99.9% of the people. The fraction that can have access go through a tougher process of background checks and licensing than people joining the military or police force. On top of that the cost that comes with this is super high. That's why you don't see these people committing crimes of any kid, yet alone mass shootings.

Now if you're arguing that AR-15's are military weapons, then you don't understand the difference. The fact is that two handguns with multiple magazines could do the same damage in that school as the AR-15 did.

"Minimum age to own any gun over 21 years and maybe even 26?

Laughable in my opinion! You better be ready to make 21 or even 26 the age for drinking alcohol, driving a car, getting prescription pain killers, becoming a parent, joining the military, gamble at a casino and contact sports. When factoring in that cars, alcohol and pain-killers kill way more people than guns, So life is sacred argument can't be the defense used. So being a parent at 18 gets outlawed under your age restrictions. Unless you really think that an 18-year-old could not be a responsible gun owner but could be responsible for the health and well-being of a child. How could you say that an 18-year-old is okay to hold a weapon for government but not for his own use? Now if you argued that people of certain age be required to take safety classes and be required to pass all tests and have so many hours of training with a licensed instructor, I think most would be okay with that. But that's not what you did. You just threw out some numbers and think that should only apply to guns. That makes me think that you put no time into your argument and put that out solely based on emotion.

"But allow those "qualified enough" to own smaller caliber guns, to some extent"

Whats considered small-caliber and whats qualified enough? Again, a 9mm pistol in up close school setting can do the same damage as an AR-15. Do you think from 10-100 feet that a bullet going 1,000 feet per second is going to do any less damage than a bullet going 3,200. That's roughly the difference between and Ar-15 shot and a 9mm shot. The 9mm ammo is roughly double the grain (weight) as a AR-15 shot. Since a 9mm pistol is the most common handgun is the USA, should that be restricted even know they are a smaller caliber gun?

I'm not trying to trash you and I'm one who demands that your opinion is as important as anyone elses. Having said that, it seems that your throwing out the standard anti-gun talking points. I would love to discuss this topic with people who have differing views, but it never happens. Either the statements made are loud and emotionally charged rhetoric or just blatantly false. I for one can't stand when a politician or actor just makes statements that are 100% false. Then the anti-gun crowd does no research and repeats what fucking Jimmy Kimmel just said as if it's fact. With the ease of access to many gun myths no more than a few clicks away, it's just ignorance and laziness that keeps most of the false claims going.

Now I'm sure the debunking and emotionally ignorant crowd will just want to bash me as a heartless hillbilly who just want kids to continue to die. That seems the standard playbook anymore.