popart Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 Today I was thinking about creating an elite ground fighter, meaning training g&p, subs, def grap, transitions, and takedown off. I realized that coupled with needing clinchwork, strike def, punches and hopefully kicks, this may prove too many secondaries to possibly get to an elite level. I assume this is why most top fighters are strikers, but I cant help but love the ground game. What is the most amount of secondaries youve trained, and how did it work out for you? Would something like this even work? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 When you get to elite-- you have 140 points in that skill. Caps out 150 pts (elite++). IIRC 2700 around the average skill cap. If you swap your stereotypical anti-grappler build, send escapes to GNP and TD defense to TD... there's your GNP build w/ kicks. Just make sure to start w/ 110 pts in clinchwork. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damndaniel Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 When you get to elite-- you have 140 points in that skill. Caps out 150 pts (elite++). IIRC 2800 around the average skill cap. If you swap your stereotypical anti-grappler build, send escapes to GNP and TD defense to TD... there's your GNP build w/ kicks. Just make sure to start w/ 110 pts in clinchwork. I didn't realize that, 15 Elite-- was only 140pts. Good to know, thanks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shards Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 Likely because if you compare the 1-150 scale to the 1-15 scale it looks like this. 1-9 = 1 10-19 = 2 20-29 = 3 ect. I'm pretty sure 150 is just slightly odd in the sense it just stay at ++ or I think I rounded on the wrong side but the concept is the same. The translation ends up looking kinda awkward if you're not used to it and you think have +10 points in every skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thPlanetKT Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 I always give my grapplers subs and GNP but give up takedown defense and escapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 You cant have 8 or more elite secondaries. And also have elite physicals and 3/4 elite primaries. The ideal formula is elite punches, kicks, clinch, str defence, tkd def, def grap, escapes, with wonderful transitions, and all physicals elite, and boxing MT and wrestling elite, with bjj exceptional/sensational. Thats the classic sprawl and brawl build. Elite means anywhere from elite - - to elite ++, ideally most things at the elite ++ end, but especially the punches, kicks, clinch, str def, boxing, MT and physicals. The others can be just elite - - or elite -. Probably could have escapes at sensational. Prob could have many things lower and still be a top fighter but thats the build I like to get my fighters to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 You can have same build above with Sens-Elite transitions. Idk why you wanna stop em at wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 They’d have to have a high skill cap to also get sens/elite transitions. Not saying it’s impossible; and if it can be done it should be! But having elite++ on the striking skills is more favourable in my eyes, for a sprawl n brawler. Which isn’t what the OP was asking. I too would love a grappling superstar, but if you want tkds, def grap, trans, subs and gnp, as well as punches kicks clinch str def, you’d need to forgo some primaries, maybe MT at wonderful. Boxing wrestling and bjj should still be elite I reckon. You normally have to choose one of the secondaries to lag behind. Maybe in this case you’d have to have gnp and kicks at wonderful so the rest can be elite? Skill cap is usually between 2650 and 2700, so you can do some calculations from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thPlanetKT Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 If you do decide to create a high level grappler do NOT ever train takedown defense or escapes, it will screw your whole build up from the skill cap and some of your fighter's stats will never reach all elite. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMitchell Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 You can get a 3 x elite / 1 x wonderful (choose which you want where) primary, 7 x elite++ secondary, all elite++ physicals for about 2520 points. For a ground guy you'd probably want a minimum 8 secondaries which bumps you up to 2670 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Been pretty lucky most my guys get closer toward 2700 but that's Convicted's elevated levels of testosterone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Boxing Elite(59)+ Muay Thai Sensational(2)-- Wrestling Elite(55)- BJJ Sensational(43)- Agility Elite(129)+ Flexibility Elite(37)- Speed Elite(72)+ Strength Elite(42)- Conditioning Elite(75)+ Balance Elite(15)-- Punches Elite(154)+ Kicks Elite(53)-- Elbows Woeful(15)-- Knees Woeful(15)-- Clinchwork Elite(139)+ Striking Defense Elite(139)++ Ground n Pound Abysmal(82)+ Takedown Off Woeful(62)++ Takedown Def Sensational(35)- Submissions Elite(27)-- Defensive Grap Elite(65)- Transitions Elite(70)- Escapes Useless(195)++ Recently declining. Not to mention split bunch of sessions and time as spar bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 That`s crazy that you got like 2 very similar builds that can be succesful at the top. Always wanted (still want) to make a red belt that could compete at the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbMogg Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 I'm in the process of building ground fighters, but I'm only concentrating on boxing in the stand-up with punches, and forefeighting kicks, so prioritizing punches, striking defence and clinchwork, so he should still be able to operate at decent level at striking outside and in the clinch. Obviously wrestling wise I'm forefeighting takedown defense as I'm going to make him elite in all aspects of the ground game and not bothering with escapes,as there's no point. Will eventually build up his MT but only the primary through sparring, this will be just to sprinkle in a few leg kicks,maybe body kicks just to change up attacks slightly, and not becoming too predictable with the boxing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Don't make HW or you will get body kick or shin kick gassed quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thPlanetKT Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 It is possible Bobb but with a grappler with poor Muay Thai your fighter is gonna need high intelligence, high SHIG, and good prediction settings to avoid that counter head kick/body kick. Nothing is more frustrating as a manager with a grappler than to lose to one of those lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 That`s crazy that you got like 2 very similar builds that can be succesful at the top. Always wanted (still want) to make a red belt that could compete at the top. same. i missed a good 6 years, has there been many of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 same. i missed a good 6 years, has there been many of them? I think Womba was red at one point but I could be wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDisney Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 I think Womba was red at one point but I could be wrong. He definitely was a red belt at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 Lao Shin was a red belt for a good while at the top of his game http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=256055. I’m sure there’s been others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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