Madness Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I have seen discussions and people who claim to know what is what, but I have yet to be able to find a real list of what the actual hierarchy is. I figure if there isn't one then we should make one. I will use this thread to bring together any information you guys are able to come up with. What do we know about these ( differentiating left and right side )? I am following Rinky Spider's career to see what popped up with him and his opponents in order to make a rudimentary list. For example one of his opponents had intelligent the 1st half of his career, but then KO power over took it making KO power both higher on the scale than intelligence as well as something training improves as opposed to being purely a hidden stat. Not sure what level each physical triggers a TotT message if anyone knows that. Left Insanely Flexible Granite Chin Cardio Machine KO Power ( Can Improve With Training ) Very Quick Very Strong Big Right Hand & Good Chin ( not sure which is higher ) Cuts Easy Big Heart Experienced Unknown Order: Prefers Standup Right Granite Chin Good Gas Tank Knockout Power ( Can Improve With Training ) Solid Chin & Heavy Handed ( not sure which is higher ) Powerful Very Confident Determined Tends to Cut Intelligent Inexperienced Unknown Order: Likes Ground, Prefers Standup Likes Ground showed up on the right, then KO Power on the left, then Likes Ground again on the right. Does that put it above Knockout Power on the right? The fighter only had 3 career fights. Only guy I have seen Likes Ground on before. He didn't seem overly TD heavy, but then again his fights were all short. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=27760 Please, post any insight you may have. This is what I have come up with, but I know it is not complete. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itakebrides Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I have one bit of knowledge anyway.Cuts easy over takes big heart on the left hand side. determined over takes tends to cut on the right.Here the proof if you check my fighters TOT of his fights. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=265255 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Thanks. That is a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniConor Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 My man Ezekiel White got heavyhanded on the right and KO power on the left. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterfightcommentary.php?FID=260002 Also where does inexperienced go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 My man Ezekiel White got heavyhanded on the right and KO power on the left. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterfightcommentary.php?FID=260002 Also where does inexperienced go? http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=253524 He got inexperienced on the left and then prefers standup for his next few fights (both sides) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniConor Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=253524 He got inexperienced on the left and then prefers standup for his next few fights (both sides) So inexperienced is no bueno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I already had heavy handed and KO power in there, but I added inexperienced and prefers standup. Unfortunately, I don't know where on the spectrum they fall yet other than cardio machine seems to be greater than both and standup is greater than inexperienced or your fight gave you enough experience to lose that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 big heart shows on left - determined shows on right -- both are big heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I found a fighter with big heart and cuts easily and a lot of fights which is how I came to place cut higher on the left with determined higher on the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I have seen discussions and people who claim to know what is what, but I have yet to be able to find a real list of what the actual hierarchy is. I figure if there isn't one then we should make one. I will use this thread to bring together any information you guys are able to come up with. What do we know about these ( differentiating left and right side )? I am following Rinky Spider's career to see what popped up with him and his opponents in order to make a rudimentary list. For example one of his opponents had intelligent the 1st half of his career, but then KO power over took it making KO power both higher on the scale than intelligence as well as something training improves as opposed to being purely a hidden stat. Not sure what level each physical triggers a TotT message if anyone knows that. Left Insanely Flexible Granite Chin Cardio Machine KO Power ( Can Improve With Training ) Very Quick Very Strong Big Right Hand & Good Chin ( not sure which is higher ) Cuts Easy Big Heart Unknown Order: Experienced, Prefers Standup Right Granite Chin Good Gas Tank Knockout Power ( Can Improve With Training ) Solid Chin & Heavy Handed ( not sure which is higher ) Powerful Very Confident Determined Tends to Cut Intelligent Unknown Order: Likes Ground, Prefers Standup, Inexperienced Likes Ground showed up on the right, then KO Power on the left, then Likes Ground again on the right. Does that put it above Knockout Power on the right? The fighter only had 3 career fights. Only guy I have seen Likes Ground on before. He didn't seem overly TD heavy, but then again his fights were all short. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=27760 Please, post any insight you may have. This is what I have come up with, but I know it is not complete. In my experience, confidence is lowest on the hierarchy on both sides (but above shit like likes ground/prefers standup/likes pizza/etc). "Knockout Power" is directly tied to experience and is lower on the hierarchy than Powerful/very quick but higher than determined and tends to cut. Heavy handed/BRH is a certain level of power + a punching skill of >=100. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 A guy just posted a fighter with determined on the right and KO power on the left: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=298493 He had 1 strength for both fights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBK16 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 A guy just posted a fighter with determined on the right and KO power on the left: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=298493 He had 1 strength for both fights KO Power pops easier on the left hand side than it does on the right hand side 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Intelligent on the right, KO Power on the left - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=300416 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBK16 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Intelligent on the right, KO Power on the left - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=300416 KO Power pops easier on the left hand side than it does on the right hand side Already explained why that happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Already explained why that happens Yeah I know, but I'm listing anomalies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoChewy Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 can insanely flexible, good gas tank, cardio machine all be acquired through training, since a fighter can increase ko power through strength training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Yeah, those are solely acquired by training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbob Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Yeah, those are solely acquired by training. well i wouldnt say acquire solely. They can hide hiddens and rise with training. but if you create a fighter with 110 flexibility it can already cover a hidden. So just a add-on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 well i wouldnt say acquire solely. They can hide hiddens and rise with training. but if you create a fighter with 110 flexibility it can already cover a hidden. So just a add-on Insanely flexible wont show until it reaches sensational flexibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbob Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Insanely flexible wont show until it reaches sensational flexibility well that is news for me are you absolutely sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 well that is news for me are you absolutely sure? Yes he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 someone should pin this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Insanely flexible wont show until it reaches sensational flexibility Ho ho, that's how you and your cheating buddy got caught! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ho ho, that's how you and your cheating buddy got caught! Actually this is a fact veterans know since at least 5-7 years now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Physicals will cover up the hiddens at certain levels. From memory I will list the physicals and the level at which they cover your fighters notable hiddens. To new managers: your project fighters, in fact all of your created fighters should keep their physicals under these levels for at least the first fight of their career in order to "see what's under the hood" so to speak - to see if they have any hiddens that make them worth keeping. Here is the list: Agility: at 109 points in the system it will register your fighter as having Wonderful (12) and will show "Very agile/Very quick" (on the ToTT) Flexibility: at 129 points in the system it will register your fighter as having Sensational (14) and will show "Insanely flexible/Very Flexible" Speed: at 109 points in the system it will register your fighter as having Wonderful (12) and will show "Fast/Very quick" Strength: at 109 points in the system it will register your fighter as having Wonderful (12) and will show "StrongVery strong" Conditioning: at 129 points in the system it will register your fighter as having Sensational (14) and will show "Good gas tank/Cardio machine" Balance: never had a fighter pop anything related to balance. If anyone has seen anything related to balance I would love to know what it says for that. Your fighters physicals should be under these levels for the first if not first few fights of their career if possible to see what you have to work with. If they pop KO power/Very strong/ Big right hand with strength levels under 11 I would say you have something decent to work with. Coupled with a few other good hiddens they could make a great fighter. Many managers would recommend starting your first fight with very low strength - they say 1 strength is best to test ko power. There are other crazy things managers recommend for the first fight like keeping striking defense at 1 to test the chin value but I think that kind of thing is rediculous and unnecessary especially considering that the chin value can degrade once it takes damage. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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