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#21 AdamHolland

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:57 PM

I kinda agree with Mentor, I feel like the title should always be legitimate and the contender should always be legitimate, that does not mean you cannot have big name fighters running around doing things like they have but just do so outside of the title picture, after a certain point a fighter can become bigger than the title anyway in the sense they won't need it to bring numbers in the door but they may very well not be the caliber of fighter to actually contend for a title at that point and that's fine! the problem comes when you have a guy like Connor holding up multiple divisions for literally years on end... just strip the guy and have him be a luxury attraction fighter and let the divisions maintain credibility outside of that.


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#22 Lefty

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 06:37 PM

I kinda agree with Mentor, I feel like the title should always be legitimate and the contender should always be legitimate, that does not mean you cannot have big name fighters running around doing things like they have but just do so outside of the title picture, after a certain point a fighter can become bigger than the title anyway in the sense they won't need it to bring numbers in the door but they may very well not be the caliber of fighter to actually contend for a title at that point and that's fine! the problem comes when you have a guy like Connor holding up multiple divisions for literally years on end... just strip the guy and have him be a luxury attraction fighter and let the divisions maintain credibility outside of that.

I think they should strip Connor at this point. He gets the honours of "former LW and FW champion of the world" and can have a title shot upon his return but to hold things up like some Primadonna it's not looking good for anyone. You would think he would have fought someone by now but it really is getting a bit much. Eventually people will start saying he's got ring rust because of how long he's been on the shelf not fighting.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 07:21 PM

I think they should strip Connor at this point. He gets the honours of "former LW and FW champion of the world" and can have a title shot upon his return but to hold things up like some Primadonna it's not looking good for anyone. You would think he would have fought someone by now but it really is getting a bit much. Eventually people will start saying he's got ring rust because of how long he's been on the shelf not fighting.

Can not strip him lol. Everyone one forgets how active he is. He should be stripped if he aint going to defend the belt but for all we know his next fight could be his first defence.

He has not even been away that long


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#24 Lefty

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 11:46 PM

Can not strip him lol. Everyone one forgets how active he is. He should be stripped if he aint going to defend the belt but for all we know his next fight could be his first defence.

He has not even been away that long

We are going on 4 months now with no plans at all of any fights to defend any titles. Usually by the 4 month mark a champion actually has the next fight deal signed and set for like 6-8 months in the future. But that didn't happen and Mcgregor is looking for money fights that nobody will take against him. He is wasting his time trying to do that because he just wants to fight little guys he can beat and they are all scared because he's got such a reach and weight advantage, usually they are little guys that walk around at like 160 lbs.

He is looking for sure shot wins where he has every advantage and he makes tons of money - it's not very sportmanlike.

And I love the guy, he is a great fighter and did some great things so far but he needs to defend the belt if he wants to keep it. Shit or get off the pot.

I used to say "give him a break" but no champ has ever really done this before you know.


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#25 Jacman

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:45 AM

We are going on 4 months now with no plans at all of any fights to defend any titles. Usually by the 4 month mark a champion actually has the next fight deal signed and set for like 6-8 months in the future. But that didn't happen and Mcgregor is looking for money fights that nobody will take against him. He is wasting his time trying to do that because he just wants to fight little guys he can beat and they are all scared because he's got such a reach and weight advantage, usually they are little guys that walk around at like 160 lbs.
He is looking for sure shot wins where he has every advantage and he makes tons of money - it's not very sportmanlike.
And I love the guy, he is a great fighter and did some great things so far but he needs to defend the belt if he wants to keep it. Shit or get off the pot.
I used to say "give him a break" but no champ has ever really done this before you know.


Completely agree he should be stripped, he fought three times as the 145 pound champ yet never even considered defending it despite having 3 top contenders waiting. He's fought quite often so it doesn't bother me that he's taking some time off especially since he's having a kid but we all know the last thing he's gonna do is defend that belt. He will look toward Mayweather first. I bet it will be a year before he even considers defending that belt and that will probably only be against Nate again who won't be deserving anyway.

We might actually see a khabib/ferguson fight before we see a conor title defense.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:10 AM

Can not strip him lol. Everyone one forgets how active he is. He should be stripped if he aint going to defend the belt but for all we know his next fight could be his first defence.

He has not even been away that long

 

I would honestly consider stripping him because at this point there is way too much uncertainty around him. It has been months since his last fight and there has been no plans for his next fight. He has not shown interest in fighting in 2017 and it seems he is getting ready for a fight with Mayweather. Personally i would strip him and if he decides to come back for the long term to give him a title shot. It seems to me that he does not give a crap about the title, he wants the money fights. He would be more interested in fighting a donkey as long as it pays more.


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#27 Lefty

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:20 AM

 

I would honestly consider stripping him because at this point there is way too much uncertainty around him. It has been months since his last fight and there has been no plans for his next fight. He has not shown interest in fighting in 2017 and it seems he is getting ready for a fight with Mayweather. Personally i would strip him and if he decides to come back for the long term to give him a title shot. It seems to me that he does not give a crap about the title, he wants the money fights. He would be more interested in fighting a donkey as long as it pays more.

Noone is getting ready for a Mayweather fight. There are tons of reporters talking to Mayweather and I see all over the place "watch this video of Mayweather discussing why a fight vs Mcgregor would be 'competitive'" but it ain't going to happen. Did you see how long it took him to face Pacquiao? Took years. An even more vicious, longer, stronger fighter emerges and he's going to fight him just like that? Give me a fucking break man. Noone is fighting Mayweather, dudes retired like he said.


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#28 MasterLeader

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:35 AM

Noone is getting ready for a Mayweather fight. There are tons of reporters talking to Mayweather and I see all over the place "watch this video of Mayweather discussing why a fight vs Mcgregor would be 'competitive'" but it ain't going to happen. Did you see how long it took him to face Pacquiao? Took years. An even more vicious, longer, stronger fighter emerges and he's going to fight him just like that? Give me a fucking break man. Noone is fighting Mayweather, dudes retired like he said.


Yeah but Pacquiao posed a genuine threat and this was a 50/50 fight.

Notorious doesn't stand a chance in a boxing match against Mayweather so Mayweather would accept this in a heartbeat for the right pay.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:05 AM

Let's hold off on the stripping talk just yet. It took Cain nearly two years to defend it, and 1 1/2 years for Cruz to lose it. We all knew CmG wouldn't fight till May. If the Floyd fight gets booked, then let's talk, not sooner
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#30 Lefty

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:13 AM

Yeah but Pacquiao posed a genuine threat and this was a 50/50 fight.

Notorious doesn't stand a chance in a boxing match against Mayweather so Mayweather would accept this in a heartbeat for the right pay.

Actually posed a threat, I thought so too until I saw him unleash everything on Mayweather and he took Pacquiao's best and kept on going. He is not a risky fighter, will not throw much in return but his defense is unparalelled. Noone can touch him IMO (now maybe Pacquiao was paid to take a dive so to speak and not really throw his real power on him but we'll never know...).

But I still think Conor can take him out for some reason. There is just something about his speed and timing with his power that makes me think he can hit through Mayweathers guard.


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#31 AdamHolland

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:05 PM

Just watching the press conf at the moment and Bisping is on fire lol... he's an arse but he isn't wrong at all in what he's saying about GSP. Worth the watch if anyone's on the fence.


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#32 MasterLeader

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:16 PM

Actually posed a threat, I thought so too until I saw him unleash everything on Mayweather and he took Pacquiao's best and kept on going. He is not a risky fighter, will not throw much in return but his defense is unparalelled. Noone can touch him IMO (now maybe Pacquiao was paid to take a dive so to speak and not really throw his real power on him but we'll never know...).
But I still think Conor can take him out for some reason. There is just something about his speed and timing with his power that makes me think he can hit through Mayweathers guard.


Conor will be +500 at least, maybe +700
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 01:57 PM

As an Englishman I am really proud of Bisping being our first champ and how he smashed Rockhold... But I think he over exerted and George didn't care enough, seemed a bit embarrassing

 

If we see the same motivated always improving George, I think he will take Bisping down mutiple times per round and use the threat of the takedown to technically pick Bisping apart on the feet.

 

However I can see Bisping using his longer reach and quicker jab and 1,2 to win this decision. 

 

I can't see this fight being stopped really.

 

I would agree that Romero is far more dangerous and it is unfair to take the shot away from himself and Jacare.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:12 PM

Actually posed a threat, I thought so too until I saw him unleash everything on Mayweather and he took Pacquiao's best and kept on going. He is not a risky fighter, will not throw much in return but his defense is unparalelled. Noone can touch him IMO (now maybe Pacquiao was paid to take a dive so to speak and not really throw his real power on him but we'll never know...).
But I still think Conor can take him out for some reason. There is just something about his speed and timing with his power that makes me think he can hit through Mayweathers guard.


Conor has great timing and speed for mma but boxing is another level. From a technical standpoint Conor doesn't stand a chance against most pro boxers but against the greatest defensive/technical boxer of all time despite age and I don't even give him a punchers chance. I haven't even mentioned the glove size which will help floyd, if they were mma sized gloves then I could see Conor landing but with those huge gloves that Floyd likes there's no chance. I see Conor getting his ass whooped and probably getting finished in the 4th or 5th round. And that's being generous.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:19 PM

Let's hold off on the stripping talk just yet. It took Cain nearly two years to defend it, and 1 1/2 years for Cruz to lose it. We all knew CmG wouldn't fight till May. If the Floyd fight gets booked, then let's talk, not sooner


I don't understand that argument, both cain and Cruz and aldo(another name I've heard with this argument) were all willing to defend the title and many times scheduled to do so but injuries got in the way. The difference with Conor is that he hasn't shown a willingness do so like the others did and he doesn't have an injury excuse. If a champ goes out of his way to avoid defending his belt( and you can't say he hasn't done this, 3 times with the FW belt and now with Mayweather) then he must be stripped. If he cleaned out the division and had no real contenders like MM has done then it wouldn't be a big deal but the man gets the belt and runs then bitches when they take it from him.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:42 PM

I don't understand that argument, both cain and Cruz and aldo(another name I've heard with this argument) were all willing to defend the title and many times scheduled to do so but injuries got in the way. The difference with Conor is that he hasn't shown a willingness do so like the others did and he doesn't have an injury excuse. If a champ goes out of his way to avoid defending his belt( and you can't say he hasn't done this, 3 times with the FW belt and now with Mayweather) then he must be stripped. If he cleaned out the division and had no real contenders like MM has done then it wouldn't be a big deal but the man gets the belt and runs then bitches when they take it from him.

I don't care about the reason someone is not defending. Imo, one year without a defence is an interim belt, 1 1/2 year is stripped. Heck, the UFC would be stupid to strip him, he makes them more money than all the other guys do if they fought 4 times a year.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:49 PM

I don't care about the reason someone is not defending. Imo, one year without a defence is an interim belt, 1 1/2 year is stripped. Heck, the UFC would be stupid to strip him, he makes them more money than all the other guys do if they fought 4 times a year.

It doesn't bother you at all that Conor can defend the belt but doesn't want to? What kind of champion is that? I don't care if he won it yesterday if he starts looking at other divisions or sports that's where I draw the line. To be a real champ you have to defend the belt.

And if we're talking money, Conor doesn't need the belt at this point to sell huge arenas and ppv's. So that's not a reason to let him keep it either.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:18 PM

It doesn't bother you at all that Conor can defend the belt but doesn't want to? What kind of champion is that? I don't care if he won it yesterday if he starts looking at other divisions or sports that's where I draw the line. To be a real champ you have to defend the belt.

And if we're talking money, Conor doesn't need the belt at this point to sell huge arenas and ppv's. So that's not a reason to let him keep it either.

It doesn't bother me, cause he will defend the belt. He is more active than other champs. If he gets the Floyd fight, let's talk. It's just been four months, and if the Floyd fight doesn't happen, he'll defend it in May or June. That's a break of like half a year only.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:44 PM

It doesn't bother me, cause he will defend the belt. He is more active than other champs. If he gets the Floyd fight, let's talk. It's just been four months, and if the Floyd fight doesn't happen, he'll defend it in May or June. That's a break of like half a year only.

How do you know he will defend it though? That has been my point all along. He is very active but he had the FW belt for over a year and fought 3 times and never gave it a thought. I see him doing the same with the LW belt and he's proving me right considering he's looking at boxing Mayweather. I think he wants that fight and will get it but it's gonna be a while imo before the deal is done and if he doesn't I bet he would rather look at fighting for the WW belt instead of defending his belt. You seem to be very optimistic about Conor's intentions but he's never shown to be wired that way. I don't see him defending that belt till early 2018 or mid 2018 but I hope you're right because the LW division has too much talent to just sit around waiting for him.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 11:41 AM

Noone is getting ready for a Mayweather fight. There are tons of reporters talking to Mayweather and I see all over the place "watch this video of Mayweather discussing why a fight vs Mcgregor would be 'competitive'" but it ain't going to happen. Did you see how long it took him to face Pacquiao? Took years. An even more vicious, longer, stronger fighter emerges and he's going to fight him just like that? Give me a fucking break man. Noone is fighting Mayweather, dudes retired like he said.

 

Even worse. I do not care about boxing, so we have someone, who is a 2 division champ (until recently), holding up the whole division to play games with Mayweather.


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