Top 5 GOAT List (Weight Class)

[Rambo]

#1

Otso "Spartacus" Jokinen

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61-15-0

Otso was at the top for a long time. Before losing to Danny Power he went on an insane streak where he beat Egyptian x2, Crassus, Sam Hall, Jon Unbreakable, fighters (exception of Crassus) who were elite across the board. I feel like Fuse kinda destroyed Otso with Power and Bunn, and he never really regained his unbeatable status or consistency after that. But the guy was easily #1 or #2 LW in the game, and one of the top P4P fighters ever.

#2

Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz

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61-15-0

Donny fought better, tougher, and more skilled fighters than Otso imo But Otso has a win vs Donny in head to head competition, and for that reason alone I give Otso the nod. Not to take anything away from Donny, he was a beast, and it's as close to a tie as it gets, but for the sake of the head to head win I put Otso first. Donny emerged late in his career, where Otso emerged early and fell apart later. Hard to choose between the two. Donny is right up there with Otso as one of the best P4P fighters of all time.

#3
Jafar Agrabah

to be continued...

[Rambo]

WW

 

Ricky Rocker

Bowser Stormcrow

Edogowa Conan

Renan St Juste

Sinuhe Egyptian

Sam Hall

Milo Phillips

Jigoro Kane

Arthur Meighen

[Rambo]

MW

 

 

Sunny Disposition

Matt Murdock

Pasi Kullero

Dante Evangelisti

Pat McDermot

Boba Fett

[Rambo]

#1 Jeremy Tonal

#2 Smokudju Womba

 

Scotty Bennet

Taj al Din

Manu Okoro

Moses Diggs

Kelemi Seia

Sotiris Kakoullis

Tiago Renato

[Rambo]

Reserved for HW

 

 

Fidel Puno

Bubba KillsInWater

Leonardo Feirreira

Golden Glory

Don Marciano

Carl Creel

Rinky Spider

Victory Creed

Merrimac Mjolner

Dustin Douglas

[Rambo]

#1
Hakuin Ekaku

#2
Jameson Connemara

Tuomari Hurmio

Waru Kuzuri

Clint Lomax

Kauko Partio

Lil Wayne

Vanilla Ice Cold

Oompa Loompa

Rafa Silva

 

[JakeF]

Great initiative, CK, would be nice for newbies like me to get to know the history of the game.

[bjornmma1]

Great initiative, CK, would be nice for newbies like me to get to know the history of the game.

Not just for newbies. I have been around for some time now, but not anywhere near the amount of time these guys have. Who these true veterans see as the G.O.A.T.'s are often guys that were fighting when I didn't even knew the game existed yet.

 

I love to learn more about the history of the game, so am looking very much forward to how this thread evolves!

[Guest]

WW = Sinhue Egyptian, Stormcrow

LHW = Tonal, Womba

HW = Douglas, Glory, Ferreria

[MasterLeader]

I remember Otso - his manager used to make the best custom T Shirts & Shorts to look like real full length fighters

[stpierrecanada]

I'm bringing back the early days here, These guys had insane runs.

 

At 205 either Jigoro "Mollywhop" Kane (1357) when managed by Luke. Or Jeremy Tonal but Kane has a win over him. A forgotten man is Manu Okoro (24159) was on the P4P list forever and was unbeatable in CFC which was with Syn and Blitz were top 3 orgs at the time easily.

 

145 hands down IMO is Hakuin "Zen" Ekaku (1665) started his career 0-0 in Syn and fought to win the title and go 24-0 to start his career. He only lost ONCE AT 145 in his first 39 fights. He owned 145.

[gwad12345]

I'm bringing back the early days here, These guys had insane runs.

 

At 205 either Jigoro "Mollywhop" Kane (1357) when managed by Luke. Or Jeremy Tonal but Kane has a win over him. A forgotten man is Manu Okoro (24159) was on the P4P list forever and was unbeatable in CFC which was with Syn and Blitz were top 3 orgs at the time easily.

 

145 hands down IMO is Hakuin "Zen" Ekaku (1665) started his career 0-0 in Syn and fought to win the title and go 24-0 to start his career. He only lost ONCE AT 145 in his first 39 fights. He owned 145.

 

I know Kane has a legend status and granted I wasnt around when he was on top but, just after scouting him a bit, I have to feel like some of his early success was due to people still really figuring out the game at that point.

 

And I know you said "when managed by Luke" but when you limit your scope of reference to roughly half of a fighter's career its not really fair to compare them against the likes of Tonal (who was retired for almost 2 human years before coming back and beating Womba in his prime).

[762x39]

I have to agree Otso was one of my favorites. Great place to start your ranking!

[stpierrecanada]

I know Kane has a legend status and granted I wasnt around when he was on top but, just after scouting him a bit, I have to feel like some of his early success was due to people still really figuring out the game at that point.

 

And I know you said "when managed by Luke" but when you limit your scope of reference to roughly half of a fighter's career its not really fair to compare them against the likes of Tonal (who was retired for almost 2 human years before coming back and beating Womba in his prime).

They were all figuring it out I believe. That run was legendary and I won't let his late career ruin his accomplishments, he was the best in the game for a very very long time and was unbeatable.

 

Just my opinion, I understand what you're saying gwad..... But I've been around so long these guys always stick in my head because they were so unbeatable, time won't let me forget lol, so I'm chucking their names in respectively.

[Mannetosen]

Jin Sen started his career 0-4 and then won like 17 straight.

[Erik]

If your 205 choice isn't Womba, I'm going to put it down to you still being upset that Kelly pegged you...

[gwad12345]

If your 205 choice isn't Womba, I'm going to put it down to you still being upset that Kelly pegged you...

 

Tonal or Womba. Not sure which was better but Womba was definitely more impressive imo.

 

The repeated bitch slap he put on Karter alone is legendary.

[Mentor]

It is Tonal and it was not even close. For one, he beat both Kane and Womba. I know Womba then got a rematch win, but truth is that Tonal had already lost almost all of his ground game by then, not to mention his manager was also inactive for that period of time and had pretty much lost any touch he had with the slider changes.

 

The other reason i think it was Tonal is the hype surrounding his fights and the manner he was getting the wins. Most of you were not around at the time, but each and every fight was massive. He won the biggest hyped (and first) Millionaire's tourney as an outsider and then came back to GAMMA, cleared out a division with several top level contenders who joined specifically to try and beat him, he then went on a 7 month unbeaten streak including 9 top wins over top 20 level competition in 2 different divisions, 205 and 265. He virtually single hand forced a game change and only started to lose when those changes were in place. Womba is more famous as being a fighter who got the best over Karter / Convicted and being arguably the best ever grappler, something which was not a popular approach in a strike heavy era. Probably a top 5 fighter though.

 

I remember the negotiation process surrounding Tonal, we was getting 5-6 offers in advance. I had offers worth millions (at the time that meant something). The fight with Snake is also probably the biggest hyped fight ever. A fighter in today's era is at a serious disadvantage because:

 

#1 More people know what they are doing

#2 The game is nowhere near what it used to be

#3 The top level orgs generally have no writers to hype fights

#4 Less collaboration between orgs in general, leading to less top level fights

 

It is like comparing Klitchko to someone like Ali. 2 fighters in 2 totally different era's, todays Tycoon is more like Klitchko's era in boxing. In other words the "nobody gives a crap" era.

[Guest]

It is Tonal and it was not even close. For one, he beat both Kane and Womba. I know Womba then got a rematch win, but truth is that Tonal had already lost almost all of his ground game by then, not to mention his manager was also inactive for that period of time and had pretty much lost any touch he had with the slider changes.

 

The other reason i think it was Tonal is the hype surrounding his fights and the manner he was getting the wins. Most of you were not around at the time, but each and every fight was massive. He won the biggest hyped (and first) Millionaire's tourney as an outsider and then came back to GAMMA, cleared out a division with several top level contenders who joined specifically to try and beat him, he then went on a 7 month unbeaten streak including 9 top wins over top 20 level competition in 2 different divisions, 205 and 265. He virtually single hand forced a game change and only started to lose when those changes were in place. Womba is more famous as being a fighter who got the best over Karter / Convicted and being arguably the best ever grappler, something which was not a popular approach in a strike heavy era. Probably a top 5 fighter though.

 

I remember the negotiation process surrounding Tonal, we was getting 5-6 offers in advance. I had offers worth millions (at the time that meant something). The fight with Snake is also probably the biggest hyped fight ever. A fighter in today's era is at a serious disadvantage because:

 

#1 More people know what they are doing

#2 The game is nowhere near what it used to be

#3 The top level orgs generally have no writers to hype fights

#4 Less collaboration between orgs in general, leading to less top level fights

 

It is like comparing Klitchko to someone like Ali. 2 fighters in 2 totally different era's, todays Tycoon is more like Klitchko's era in boxing. In other words the "nobody gives a crap" era.

#1 -So your saying he was better because the managers were worse lol.

 

#2 - what's that's suppose to mean it's nothing like it was?

 

For newer players the first year in the game is like how you remember it it's just because it's not new to you anymore does not feel the same.

[JLP]

It is Tonal and it was not even close. For one, he beat both Kane and Womba. I know Womba then got a rematch win, but truth is that Tonal had already lost almost all of his ground game by then, not to mention his manager was also inactive for that period of time and had pretty much lost any touch he had with the slider changes.

Lance Templeton set Tonal's sliders for that first Womba fight. He admitted to it in the forums and then tried to feebly backtrack his statement. Tonal was retired for years before that fight and was unscoutable going into it. Womba was already declining and had a huge number of fights in the current engine at the time to scout. Everything was in Tonal's favor for the first fight. Womba beating him in the rematch was much more representative of their abilities. Womba is easily the LHW GOAT.

 

Heres were I quoted LT saying he set the sliders:

http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42748&p=541950

He of course went and changed his original post to say he "advised".

[LanceTempleton]

Lance Templeton set Tonal's sliders for that first Womba fight. He admitted to it in the forums and then tried to feebly backtrack his statement. Tonal was retired for years before that fight and was unscoutable going into it. Womba was already declining and had a huge number of fights in the current engine at the time to scout. Everything was in Tonal's favor for the first fight. Womba beating him in the rematch was much more representative of their abilities. Womba is easily the LHW GOAT.

 

Heres were I quoted LT saying he set the sliders:

http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42748&p=541950

He of course went and changed his original post to say he "advised".

 

I NEVER feebly backtracked anything.

 

Deamus asked me what sliders he should go with. I told him what to set. He told me he set them that way.

The only thing I was verifying was that I NEVER not once logged in as Deamus nor did I EVER have access to his account. I can have Mike come on and verify if need be.

I am 99.9% sure Deamus went with my recommendations, but I did not physically set them. Thats all.

[Caleb613]

YB MOTHERFUCKIN SOL

 

 

edit:

 

Oh and I dont give a fuck Bubba will always be THE most entertaining fighter in Tycoon history.

[JLP]

I NEVER feebly backtracked anything.

 

Deamus asked me what sliders he should go with. I told him what to set. He told me he set them that way.

The only thing I was verifying was that I NEVER not once logged in as Deamus nor did I EVER have access to his account. I can have Mike come on and verify if need be.

I am 99.9% sure Deamus went with my recommendations, but I did not physically set them. Thats all.

I'll repost it to remind you were you said you set his sliders:

Womba is an all-time great for sure, but the GOAT debate is now over.

 

I mean step back and really think about what just happened here.

 

Tonal took seven in game years off. During that time he was training in a gym that was not his own and did not have ViP, so he had no idea what was popping or depopping at all. Yeah I did the sliders because Deamus didnt know the engine, but that was no close decision, it was brutality.

 

Tonal was away for seven years, had non optimal training, was woken up because people were saying there was some debate as to who the GOAT was and just absolutely decimated the opponent and debate.

 

It's not an insult to Womba to say Tonal is the GOAT, its just fact. Womba IS still one of the greatest and that will never change.

Here's a link to the original LT post, edited to change to "advise" six minutes after I quoted what he said originally with no prompting from anyone, that he set the sliders:

http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42748&p=541814

[Mentor]

What i would like to see are facts. Who beat the most top level fighters during their career, in particular top 100 ranked fighters, that is probably the best and most objective criteria, everything else is based upon opinion.

[Marky]

The lamest thing whether the sliders were set or advised to be set by someone else is that Tonal's manager allowed that kind of bullshit. The fighter is essentially always a combo of the manager and the fighter, be a man or don't compete at all.