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Gym subsidies/contributions

 

“The situation with private vs public gyms is pretty dire at the moment, with 221 private gyms and in some cities, literally no public gyms with any coaches. This obviously dreadful for new managers and the overall health of the game.

So, I have implemented a subsidies system, where each of the private gyms in the game will donate a small amount each week to the public gyms. The calculation is ($260,000 / number of private gyms), which this week would be $1176 donation per private gym.

The key part is that it's donated $20,000 per city. So in a city with one public gym, that gym would get the whole $20k. If another public gym opens next week, they'll split it, $10k each.

There are certain criteria you need to meet to be classed as a public gym. I'm not going to give the details because people will try and game the system. Basically just be a proper public gym with good training and you'll be classed as a public gym. Same thing goes for "what's a private gym?". It's what you think a private gym is :)

There will be some gyms in the middle ground, who won't pay any contributions and won't receive any either.

Subsidies will be handed out on Mondays, starting next week. If you think your gym has been classified incorrectly then please contact me. Your gym will need to be open for (nearly) a full week to be classified one way or another.

Thanks and hopefully here's to an improvement in public training in all cities!”

 

 

I basically read this and thought: “Mike, you’re right.” The public gym situation is a serious problem that needs fixing. To keep this game alive, we need to attract new blood and be able to keep them here. Having more quality public gyms will have a huge positive impact on the new player experience, so it is a problem worth fixing. But, the solution Mike presents here doesn’t feel like a proper solution but rather like a single drop of water on a boiling hot frying pan. My question to you all is: how can we fix this?

 

 

I’ve been thinking about it, looked around on the forum for ideas and have come up with a few things worth discussing and I really would love to hear all your opinions on this and would welcome any other suggestions you have to bring to the table:

 

 

- Dramatically increase learning speed at the lower levels: even if you're in a class with like five people, going from Useless (1) to Feeble (4) with an elite coach should not take so long.

 

 

- Increase the skill points cap in public gyms so we can have more top quality gym coaches: having more elite coaches means more fighters can get more quality training, pure and simple.

 

 

- Maximum coach wages in public gyms: basically, it is a lot easier to replace coaches in a private gym to lower their wages. By limiting coach wages, public gyms might make a bit more money.

 

 

- Increase public gym fees limit: the reason why a lot of people choose not to open a public gym is because you won’t be able to make a lot of money that way. Increasing the gym fees might help turn a struggling public gym into a profitable business worth considering.

 

 

- A slight increase in learning speed in general: if you increase the learning speed, fighters reach their skill cap faster, which might decrease the need for private gyms if enough public gyms can provide us with quality training.

 

 

- Three training sessions per day: basically another alternative to increase the learning speed.

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I agree with changes like that. For new managers the worst part of the game is the slow pace of fighter progression..make a 25yr old and his training is slower than 18yr olds, but the increase in skill points makes them more viable for fighting right away...But, they have short life spans. 18yr olds are ideal, learning speed is much greater, life span much higher, but it takes all that time to train them up to a proper fighter level. Combine those with lack of quality gyms and boom lost their interest and they gone.

 

Chances are most managers who own a private gym know how to run a gym properly and I myself, would gladly create a solid public gym with break even earnings if I could still keep my private gym. I think maybe this should be added as an option as well...we can own 1 of every type of company, so maybe a public gym should be additional if you own a private gym. Do this and I'll open a public gym right now!

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I sent something to Mike a while back suggesting that training speed for public and private gyms be different because at the moment balance both using the same mechanics appears too hard to balance. The suggestion went something along these lines.

 

Private Training: No change

1-2 classes maintain being the best, it's private training so you shouldn't be getting this for anything worse than 2:1 ratio anyway.

 

Public training:

1-2 member classes will have no change, if you can sneak getting a class without other students you get the same as private training.

3-6 will be in a new half step just below the ideal training, we need something added to give them a value with more students in a public setting.

7+ would jump from this half step to the more unacceptable training.

 

 

A feature that 100% should be added is allowing base users to see the number of people in a class. This is way too important to be a VIP feature, I don't have a large roster and would run a semi-public gym if I wasn't worried about people fucking up the training.

 

 

 

The ideal results are private training is not changed and remains the best way to train a fighter. We're not balancing things by knocking private training down or drastically altering training speeds rather building the coaching efficiency up in a public system up that can work around what we already have.

 

 

 

Edit: Thinking about it, even with 2:1 being pretty comparable to 1:1 training managers already favor 1:1(The guys at the peak that Mike would be worried about are already min-maxing) so you could likely just boost the 3-6 range for all gyms without any real powering up to private gyms, like I said you really shouldn't be investing in a private gym for lower then ideal ratios anyway.

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I sent something to Mike a while back suggesting that training speed for public and private gyms be different because at the moment balance both using the same mechanics appears too hard to balance. The suggestion went something along these lines.

 

Private Training: No change

1-2 classes maintain being the best, it's private training so you shouldn't be getting this for anything worse than 2:1 ratio anyway.

 

Public training:

1-2 member classes will have no change, if you can sneak getting a class without other students you get the same as private training.

3-6 will be in a new half step just below the ideal training, we need something added to give them a value with more students in a public setting.

7+ would jump from this half step to the more unacceptable training.

 

 

A feature that 100% should be added is allowing base users to see the number of people in a class. This is way too important to be a VIP feature, I don't have a large roster and would run a semi-public gym if I wasn't worried about people fucking up the training.

 

 

 

The ideal results are private training is not changed and remains the best way to train a fighter. We're not balancing things by knocking private training down or drastically altering training speeds rather building the coaching efficiency up in a public system up that can work around what we already have.

 

 

 

Edit: Thinking about it, even with 2:1 being pretty comparable to 1:1 training managers already favor 1:1(The guys at the peak that Mike would be worried about are already min-maxing) so you could likely just boost the 3-6 range for all gyms without any real powering up to private gyms, like I said you really shouldn't be investing in a private gym for lower then ideal ratios anyway.

 

Curious to hear what Mike said.

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Potentially overlooked, maybe I didn't describe it as well then so it seemed like a worse idea at the time.

 

 

My educated guess was close.

Nobody should be surprised, given how he has ignored the 'best suggestions' thread for years.

 

His idea to form a development team (to calm the uprise of complaints about Mike doing nothing), turned out a great succes as well, as he hasn't been on there for nearly two years or so and the development team is now nothing but a group of frustrated managers, wondering if Mike his SATNAV was hacked by the Russians, as he can't find his way back to the people anymore. Damn Russians.

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Democrats and stimulus packages lol.

 

OP makes a lot of great points.

 

I would prefer a learning speed increase over a 3rd session per day. Would also love to see the gap closed a bit until you get to mediocre-competent. But you are right that it shouldn't take too long to get from useless to feeble, even in a crowded session.

 

Public gyms with 100+ member capacity should be open to other perks (like decreased coach fees).

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Good points being made but I still think the easiest is to make gyms profitable and let managers have both a public and private gym to help out noobs.

 

I agree it's the easiest solution but is it really a proper one, in the long run? My concern with that is, it will still depend on the goodwill of veteran players to help this game keep going instead of fixing the problem itself, which is making public gyms a more attractive company.

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I agree it's the easiest solution but is it really a proper one, in the long run? My concern with that is, it will still depend on the goodwill of veteran players to help this game keep going instead of fixing the problem itself, which is making public gyms a more attractive company.

Running a company well should be profitable, no?

 

From what I understand, the top tier fighters are run by managers who run private gyms and fill it only with their own men. That’s promoting pay to win, if you ask me.

 

Also, why is it so difficult for new managers to make money? For those who are not writers or into graphic design, the only option is laundering money or selling VIP. Am I the only person who sees this as a problem?

 

Starting clothing/supp companies this late into the game feels hopeless.

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Running a company well should be profitable, no?

 

From what I understand, the top tier fighters are run by managers who run private gyms and fill it only with their own men. That’s promoting pay to win, if you ask me.

 

Also, why is it so difficult for new managers to make money? For those who are not writers or into graphic design, the only option is laundering money or selling VIP. Am I the only person who sees this as a problem?

 

Starting clothing/supp companies this late into the game feels hopeless.

The main way to make money is through fighting. A few 25 year olds can earn the money to train projects at public gyms. And in time, the first generation fighters earns enough money to have own private gym for the third generation projects.

 

That's how the game has been played since its inception, and the problem right now is that there aren't enough public gyms in most cities (keyword = most, for example Vegas is doing great, but other cities, less so).

 

And imo the main reason why public gyms don't exist is because high-end competitiveness requires a private gym, and running a public gym on top of a private one is too damn expensive in terms of VIP days, so people mostly don't want to do it.

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The main way to make money is through fighting. A few 25 year olds can earn the money to train projects at public gyms. And in time, the first generation fighters earns enough money to have own private gym for the third generation projects.

 

That's how the game has been played since its inception, and the problem right now is that there aren't enough public gyms in most cities (keyword = most, for example Vegas is doing great, but other cities, less so).

 

And imo the main reason why public gyms don't exist is because high-end competitiveness requires a private gym, and running a public gym on top of a private one is too damn expensive in terms of VIP days, so people mostly don't want to do it.

Regarding the last paragraph.

 

You’re absolutely correct. Why isn’t this addressed?

 

Forcing players to pay money to be even remotely competitive is not healthy for the game.

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The main way to make money is through fighting. A few 25 year olds can earn the money to train projects at public gyms. And in time, the first generation fighters earns enough money to have own private gym for the third generation projects.

 

That's how the game has been played since its inception, and the problem right now is that there aren't enough public gyms in most cities (keyword = most, for example Vegas is doing great, but other cities, less so).

 

And imo the main reason why public gyms don't exist is because high-end competitiveness requires a private gym, and running a public gym on top of a private one is too damn expensive in terms of VIP days, so people mostly don't want to do it.

 

This is exactly how Grumpy taught me.

 

1) Get VIP

 

2) learn sliders w 25 yr olds in QFC

 

3) enter top 100 ranking and pick up fully trained FAs , also if you get some ridic 10-1 record with your 25 year olds sign up to restricted IDs to get some maney

 

4) make more money with experienced FAs, if you learned sliders then one or two of them might make it to the top 5 and secure you a really good contract or two

 

5) Once your own projects are developped and you learned sliders then you should be in a position to open your own private gym or join a good $1000 semi-private gym.

 

This guy did the entire Legends tournament from a public gym because I was at stage 3-4 but afterwards earned me enough money to he;p me pay for a private gym:

 

http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=324523

 

I lucked out with this one and he has generated me at least 30-35 Million in revenue alone. 9M out of those 35M is from 1 lucky deal where the org insta folded after paying me for 5 fights in advance but you need luck in business.

 

Im also always looking for oportunities to make a buck by challenging experienced managers for big bets. So far I have generated 15M out of that alone, paid only 10M but whatever.

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From what I’m reading here, the solution most people want seems to be making it less costly for people to hold two gyms, one private and one public. Your hearts are definitely in the right places, which I can only applaud. Doing this will indeed increase the number of quality public gyms and that is a solid solution worth implementing.

 

 

While this seems like the best short-term solution, I would still like to see a long-term solution. Making a public gym a more attractive company by making it more profitable and by making public gyms more effective in training still seems like a worthy goal in the long run.

 

 

The conclusions so far (correct me if I'm wrong):

A possible short-term solution: make it possible and not too costly to run both a private and a public gym.

Possible long-term solutions:

- Dramatically increase learning speed at the lower levels

- Increase the skill points cap in public gyms so we can have more top quality gym coaches

- Maximum coach wages in public gyms

- Increase public gym fees limit

- A slight increase in learning speed in general

- Make it possible for non-VIP managers to see the number of people in a class.

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From what I’m reading here, the solution most people want seems to be making it less costly for people to hold two gyms, one private and one public. Your hearts are definitely in the right places, which I can only applaud. Doing this will indeed increase the number of quality public gyms and that is a solid solution worth implementing.

 

 

While this seems like the best short-term solution, I would still like to see a long-term solution. Making a public gym a more attractive company by making it more profitable and by making public gyms more effective in training still seems like a worthy goal in the long run.

 

 

The conclusions so far (correct me if I'm wrong):

A possible short-term solution: make it less costly to run both a private and a public gym.

Possible long-term solutions:

- Dramatically increase learning speed at the lower levels

- Increase the skill points cap in public gyms so we can have more top quality gym coaches

- Maximum coach wages in public gyms

- Increase public gym fees limit

- A slight increase in learning speed in general

- Make it possible for non-VIP managers to see the number of people in a class.

Awesome suggestions, definitely agree on all points.

 

Hopefully we see some feedback at some point.

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From what I’m reading here, the solution most people want seems to be making it less costly for people to hold two gyms, one private and one public. Your hearts are definitely in the right places, which I can only applaud. Doing this will indeed increase the number of quality public gyms and that is a solid solution worth implementing.

 

 

While this seems like the best short-term solution, I would still like to see a long-term solution. Making a public gym a more attractive company by making it more profitable and by making public gyms more effective in training still seems like a worthy goal in the long run.

 

 

The conclusions so far (correct me if I'm wrong):

A possible short-term solution: make it less costly to run both a private and a public gym.

Possible long-term solutions:

- Dramatically increase learning speed at the lower levels

- Increase the skill points cap in public gyms so we can have more top quality gym coaches

- Maximum coach wages in public gyms

- Increase public gym fees limit

- A slight increase in learning speed in general

- Make it possible for non-VIP managers to see the number of people in a class.

 

its not that its expensive to hold a private and public gym..you can't have both...You can only hold 1 gym...if I could open a public gym I would right now. But, I can't as it won't allow me. If someone wants to open a gym and sell it to me for a $1 and see if that works I'm down...do it up and I'll have it up and running tonight.

 

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Awesome suggestions, definitely agree on all points.

 

Hopefully we see some feedback at some point.

 

I sent the big bossman the results of our little brainstorm session to see how he feels about it. As long as the Bjorndertaker doesn’t try to challenge him to a hell in a cell match, I’m keeping my hopes up.

 

 

 

 

Corrected it :)

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I contacted Mike about trying to get another gym...He makes it sound like something he might allow, but there will need to be some changes made to allow the system to let that happen. As of this moment, we of course can't have a public and private gym...I think it only makes sense that if you are going to treat each type as a separate gym and charge more VIP days for have a private gym vs a public gym, that we should be able to own both, just as we can own a clothing and nutrition store and org.

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