Mooncutter Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Been lookin at the rankings lately, and I've been trying to find a knee specialist. Haven't found any. With that I mean elite muay thai elite knees and a clincher, who wins fights in the clinch. MMA, not KT. There aren't a lot of knee specialists in the highest rankings. Maybe the game engine should boost knees with 1-2%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularJohn Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Been lookin at the rankings lately, and I've been trying to find a knee specialist. Haven't found any. With that I mean elite muay thai elite knees and a clincher, who wins fights in the clinch. MMA, not KT. There aren't a lot of knee specialists in the highest rankings. Maybe the game engine should boost knees with 1-2%? I don't think so, there aren't any knee specialists at a high level in real life MMA either. clinch strikes should be adjusted though to make knees and elbows much more effective in the clinch than punches. in real life punching in the clinch against a proper clinch specialist is highly ineffective; it's actually a giveaway of not knowing the proper thai clinch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Knees to the head dont make any major damage compared to what they should do, I would be surprised if any top fighter has points in that skill. Only one that comes to my mind is Bustamante but he isnt using them as a main weapon. Situation with elbows is similar, just that they are doing some good job with opening cuts, you can check #1 p4p fighter atm Chief and see that he uses them in some fights. But my honest opinion is that both knees and elbows are just a waste of skill points. Same could be said about gnp, although I am training it to some fighters for the sake of having some variety so the game doesnt get boring. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooncutter Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Knees to the head dont make any major damage compared to what they should do, I would be surprised if any top fighter has points in that skill. Only one that comes to my mind is Bustamante but he isnt using them as a main weapon. Situation with elbows is similar, just that they are doing some good job with opening cuts, you can check #1 p4p fighter atm Chief and see that he uses them in some fights. But my honest opinion is that both knees and elbows are just a waste of skill points. Same could be said about gnp, although I am training it to some fighters for the sake of having some variety so the game doesnt get boring. Ya it seems they aren't worth their points actually. Better to have kicks than elbows almost even if you are a clinch specialist. Elbows gives a slight advantage but having kick as oppose to not having them gives a BIG advantage in striking range. I think the fact that so few top p4p fighter have elbows or knees at elite is very telling. I don't mind punches being effective in the clinch though. In reality it's not that effective. Carwin killed Frank Mir with pounches clinched against the cage, but that's is so incredibly rare. I like that you can train a clinch fighter who only uses punches and then he's good at a distance too. I think fun is worth more than reality in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=243544 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Knees to the head dont make any major damage compared to what they should do, I would be surprised if any top fighter has points in that skill. Only one that comes to my mind is Bustamante but he isnt using them as a main weapon. Situation with elbows is similar, just that they are doing some good job with opening cuts, you can check #1 p4p fighter atm Chief and see that he uses them in some fights. But my honest opinion is that both knees and elbows are just a waste of skill points. Same could be said about gnp, although I am training it to some fighters for the sake of having some variety so the game doesnt get boring. Yeah I use them whenever another fighter has a weakness in the clinch, they always get fucked up with knees then. Lexington Snape was a one dimensional clinch fighter who won the Olympics, was a fucking nightmare trying to find him because his name has been changed: http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=218873 Should really stop fighters like Lexington Snape from having his name changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 I don't think so, there aren't any knee specialists at a high level in real life MMA either. You what lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Knees and elbows have won the current number 1 fighter quite a lot of fights. Whoever said knees to the head dont do a lot of damage is just wrong, when they land, they do a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularJohn Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 You what lmao who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Knees and elbows have won the current number 1 fighter quite a lot of fights. Whoever said knees to the head dont do a lot of damage is just wrong, when they land, they do a lot. Man, i have seen fights where one lands 30-40 knees to the head of a below solid chin fighter and nothing happened, then they break clinch and the fighter with the knees scores KO with 1 head kick. Yah, you will say now that the other fighter been already damaged and low on energy but imo it is not normal to eat 30-40 knees and not get hurt, especially when the matchup isnt low KO power vs granite chin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimCornette Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I don't think so, there aren't any knee specialists at a high level in real life MMA either. clinch strikes should be adjusted though to make knees and elbows much more effective in the clinch than punches. in real life punching in the clinch against a proper clinch specialist is highly ineffective; it's actually a giveaway of not knowing the proper thai clinch. Anderson is the closest to a Thai Clinch specialist in high level MMA that I can think of and in his last couple of fights (Brunson, Weidman) when he is in the clinch he gets swarmed and rocked by punches while trying to throw knees with his Thai clinch. So, I have to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularJohn Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Anderson is the closest to a Thai Clinch specialist in high level MMA that I can think of and in his last couple of fights (Brunson, Weidman) when he is in the clinch he gets swarmed and rocked by punches while trying to throw knees with his Thai clinch. So, I have to disagree. that's because his clinch skills are limited to holding someone on the back of their head and throwing knees to their head. that is a tiny part of the thai clinch. in high level muay thai fights achieving this position is virtually imposible because a skilled clinch fighter will prevent you from doing that with his eyes closed. in the Brunson fight Anderson just held him by the back of the head and did nothing. if you do that, then all you're doing is giving up your hands as defense. of course you're gonna get punched. you must hold, break their posture and fire knees right away. turn them around and keep them off balance. if you do that it's imposible for the other guy to punch. Anderson had some sucess clinching in mma because the level of clinching in mma is ridiculously low. it's easy to tell that Rich Franklin barely knew about it when he got smashed by knees against Anderson. the only guys that I'm aware of that have decent clinch skills are Mighty Mouse and Matt Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyRose Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Anderson is the closest to a Thai Clinch specialist in high level MMA that I can think of and in his last couple of fights (Brunson, Weidman) when he is in the clinch he gets swarmed and rocked by punches while trying to throw knees with his Thai clinch. So, I have to disagree. I also heard Overoid has devastating knees, but no one can tell because he also has a feather chin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Overeem is really good at getting and attacking from the single and double collar tie but positionally his clinch game isnt all that impressive tbh. people with good thai clinches constantly whip their opponents around, threaten sweeps, create angles for elbows etc which doesnt really allow people to hit them with any real power most of the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I also heard Overoid has devastating knees, but no one can tell because he also has a feather chin. Did you see the second Hunt fight? That was an Overknee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooncutter Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 There's quite a few KO by knees in UFC actually especially if you count flying knees. So you can't say it doesn't happen in reality. Knee specialist means you uses punches too, not just knees of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularJohn Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 There's quite a few KO by knees in UFC actually especially if you count flying knees. So you can't say it doesn't happen in reality. Knee specialist means you uses punches too, not just knees of course. IMO "Knee specialist" means knees are your main weapon which is not the case with any mma fighter that I'm aware of, especially not at the higher levels. Maybe I'm biased by the concept of "muay khao" which is one of the classic muay thai styles and whose representants throw knees at rates never seen in mma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimCornette Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I also heard Overoid has devastating knees, but no one can tell because he also has a feather chin. Definitely a better example of a knee specialist, although I still wouldn't really call him that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I don't think so, there aren't any knee specialists at a high level in real life MMA either. I would say that Overeem is a very good knee striker in the clinch, not sure i would call him a "specialist" but it most certainly is one of his strongest weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooncutter Posted May 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I would say that Overeem is a very good knee striker in the clinch, not sure i would call him a "specialist" but it most certainly is one of his strongest weapons. Ya he's one of the best examples. He was so good they even changed THE RULES of K1. They made the two-armed clinch illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Ya he's one of the best examples. He was so good they even changed THE RULES of K1. They made the two-armed clinch illegal. To be fair, him just tossing people to the ground from there didn't help either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Ya he's one of the best examples. He was so good they even changed THE RULES of K1. They made the two-armed clinch illegal. Frankly, i did not like that change in the rules, in the second fight with Hari he was basically not allowed to use this technique and i do not see the problem with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarMachine Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I wouldn't call him a knee specialist but Holloway has decent knees as does Diego Sanchez. Problem with this game is you can spend 5 minutes in the clinch which would never happen in real life and also there's a wrestling clinch under hooks and the plum Thai. As we'll as single collar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHL Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Yeah I use them whenever another fighter has a weakness in the clinch, they always get fucked up with knees then. Lexington Snape was a one dimensional clinch fighter who won the Olympics, was a fucking nightmare trying to find him because his name has been changed: http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=218873 Should really stop fighters like Lexington Snape from having his name changed. Yeah I'm managing Snape now. I want to change his name back, but unfortunately I don't have VIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 I would say that Overeem is a very good knee striker in the clinch, not sure i would call him a "specialist" but it most certainly is one of his strongest weapons. Ya he's one of the best examples. He was so good they even changed THE RULES of K1. They made the two-armed clinch illegal. They didn't do that because of Overeem, they did it because of Buakaw. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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