Clinch issues

[BobbMogg]

How did I lose this first round (entirely clinch)?

http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=990602

 

The way I read it, I had more control on the clinch and landed more strikes.

Did he actually scored points just because spammed a lot of missing blows? Cause thats kinda shitty

His Elbows may have been better than yours, although your overall MT is better, one of his pops is decent Elbows, one of my old fighters had the same and were rated over 90 in skill (strong) so that's automatically going to make him more dangerous in the clinch.

[jsdaugh]

Clinch control is way too high for fighters that are lower on MT primary skill vs higher MT level opponents, even if the clinch is high their ability to maintain it shouldn't be bs a higher primary opponent.

[Guest]

Clinch control is way too high for fighters that are lower on MT primary skill vs higher MT level opponents, even if the clinch is high their ability to maintain it shouldn't be bs a higher primary opponent.

 

Agreed.

[SavageMMa]

Look at a real-life MMA fight, they enter and exit the clinch A LOT, There are at least 10-15 clinches and breaks average EVERY fight, anyone who thinks it shouldn't be easier to enter and exit clinch, doesn't pay much attention to MMA fights.

[Squiiid28]

Clinch control is way too high for fighters that are lower on MT primary skill vs higher MT level opponents, even if the clinch is high their ability to maintain it shouldn't be bs a higher primary opponent.

It's because wrestling is more important then MT for clinch

[BobbMogg]

I'm sure boxing influences the clinch as well...

[Rambo]

I'm sure boxing influences the clinch as well...

Wrestling (control), Muay Thai (striking), Boxing (punching), Strength (control), as far as standing in the clinch goes... not 100% sure impact of agility/speed in the clinch but I'm sure it factors in to some degree.

[Pumph]

I've never done 100% agg in the clinch either. Guess I feel it opens you up too much. I might revisit this strategy with some of my fighters, but I've largely been successful in clinch-dominant fights.

[Rambo]

I've never done 100% agg in the clinch either. Guess I feel it opens you up too much. I might revisit this strategy with some of my fighters, but I've largely been successful in clinch-dominant fights.

I usually dominate in the clinch as well and never got 100 aggro. If you are going to go control though, you need substantial wrestling/str advantage. Idk if ish got switched up but a buddy of mine, Dace Killian, 5+ yrs ago he used to have a lot of success around 55-70% control with clinch specialist, I don't have the same luck lol.

[BobbMogg]

I never go 100% aggressive in the clinch either, but i do have it set way more than 50% I think you would want to control more if you have a ground fighter that likes to take things to the matt by pulling guard etc...

[10thPlanetKT]

You can stil pull guard with slight aggression though, if you try to pull guard too much in the clinch the level change oftentimes will fail.

[Shortstacker]

Slightly easier to enter clinch, more difficult to exit.

 

Damage and accuracy should be increased. A solid elbow or knee to the dome is night night for the recipient.

[Showdown]

On 2/5/2020 at 4:46 PM, Rambo said:

I usually dominate in the clinch as well and never got 100 aggro. If you are going to go control though, you need substantial wrestling/str advantage. Idk if ish got switched up but a buddy of mine, Dace Killian, 5+ yrs ago he used to have a lot of success around 55-70% control with clinch specialist, I don't have the same luck lol.

I'm almost positive Mike made a bunch of clinch changes since Dace played. Great manager.

I disagree with Shortstacker about damage and accuracy being increased in the clinch. Elbows will hack you up in this game and knees will KO easy enough. In real life, people have a lot of trouble doing much of anything in the clinch as far as hard hits and accuracy. Usually the biggest effect I see is it drains energy. 

[Rambo]

Tycoon clinch fighting equivalent to Don Frye vs the jap nobody remembers (myself included).

 

But after watching Colby and Usman go to work, it certainly makes you question what would you chance about tycoons hockey fights.

[barney]

I was tracking a fighter I sacked (I do it with ALL my old fighters that gets picked up) and I saw this fight.

https://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=1041782

I set my release slider to be 100% clinch, 100% counter, 100% stall. Seems like guy didnt even change them.
 

What amazes me is... Bob won the fight even tho he didnt throw ONE SINGLE PUNCH. Just clinch attempt and stall.

Something is really broken with the engine. This is absurd.

[MasterLeader]

1 hour ago, barney said:

I was tracking a fighter I sacked (I do it with ALL my old fighters that gets picked up) and I saw this fight.

https://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=1041782

I set my release slider to be 100% clinch, 100% counter, 100% stall. Seems like guy didnt even change them.
 

What amazes me is... Bob won the fight even tho he didnt throw ONE SINGLE PUNCH. Just clinch attempt and stall.

Something is really broken with the engine. This is absurd.

You see this sort of thing often happen in MMA though. Remember one fight Nik Lentz won where all he did was held the guy on the cage and barely through any strikes. It’s control so yeah I think Bob deserves it even if it’s the worst fight in MMA history 

[barney]

problem is he LITERALLY threw 0 shots, while eating a few.

[MasterLeader]

8 minutes ago, barney said:

problem is he LITERALLY threw 0 shots, while eating a few.

He ate like 5 strikes in 15 minutes - in real life judges ain’t gonna value 1 strike every 3 minutes.

They’ll definitely give every round to the guy holding his opponent on the cage.

in reality the ref should’ve broke it up - why isn’t that a thing in this game?

[barney]

Dont get me wrong I love winning by stalling

Just think you gotta throw at least SOME D level offense eventually

 

https://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=252800

[MasterLeader]

1 minute ago, barney said:

Dont get me wrong I love winning by stalling

Just think you gotta throw at least SOME D level offense eventually

 

https://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=252800

9% rating - lol that fight is awful

Winner should be whoever is on top / in better positions but I don’t think the engine is geared like that 

[barney]

On 4/1/2021 at 4:46 PM, MasterLeader said:

9% rating - lol that fight is awful

Winner should be whoever is on top / in better positions but I don’t think the engine is geared like that 

It was, Mike changes that. At least the ground. I used to have a great "human sheet" slide that could pull put some NICE wins without stand up

[clydebankblitz]

On 4/1/2021 at 8:22 PM, MasterLeader said:

You see this sort of thing often happen in MMA though. Remember one fight Nik Lentz won where all he did was held the guy on the cage and barely through any strikes. It’s control so yeah I think Bob deserves it even if it’s the worst fight in MMA history 

Control is only scored in the current MMA judging criteria if damage is ruled to be entirely equal. Holding someone against the cage or on the ground only matters if there was no damage landed previously.

If someone lands a single jab, is taken down (non-impactfully) and held there for the entire 4.55 landing no strikes, the guy who landed the jab would rightfully be the winner because impact wouldn't have been ruled as entirely equal.

Of course MMA Tycoon was created whilst the old judging criteria existed though.

A good recent fight for this was Ketlen Vieira Vs Yana Kunitskaya. Ketlen landed a quick takedown and controlled the whole round, even taking the back. But in the last 10 seconds Yana sweeps and lands some elbows. Because Yana was the only one who landed anything impactful throughout the whole round, she won it. Ironically Ketlen was bleeding like FUCK after but judges can't score that as they'd have already given in their scorecards by the time it was decided.

[MasterLeader]

3 hours ago, clydebankblitz said:

Control is only scored in the current MMA judging criteria if damage is ruled to be entirely equal. Holding someone against the cage or on the ground only matters if there was no damage landed previously.

If someone lands a single jab, is taken down (non-impactfully) and held there for the entire 4.55 landing no strikes, the guy who landed the jab would rightfully be the winner because impact wouldn't have been ruled as entirely equal.

Of course MMA Tycoon was created whilst the old judging criteria existed though.

A good recent fight for this was Ketlen Vieira Vs Yana Kunitskaya. Ketlen landed a quick takedown and controlled the whole round, even taking the back. But in the last 10 seconds Yana sweeps and lands some elbows. Because Yana was the only one who landed anything impactful throughout the whole round, she won it. Ironically Ketlen was bleeding like FUCK after but judges can't score that as they'd have already given in their scorecards by the time it was decided.

That Ketlen scoring was a joke - she was fighting where she wanted to be for most of the fight and on the verge of fight ending submissions.

That being said, you can make the point about damage vs control all you want, if someone lands one jab then is held against the cage for 4.55 I can promise you the holder is winning regardless of what the rules say. Common sense prevails

[clydebankblitz]

31 minutes ago, MasterLeader said:

That Ketlen scoring was a joke - she was fighting where she wanted to be for most of the fight and on the verge of fight ending submissions.

That being said, you can make the point about damage vs control all you want, if someone lands one jab then is held against the cage for 4.55 I can promise you the holder is winning regardless of what the rules say. Common sense prevails

It's not how it's scored though. She didn't really have any submissions even nearly close in the third round, and because of that she isn't getting any points for anything. I've actually been schooled on that specific fight, along with the scoring in Brown Vs Condit, by an actual UFC judge. Was surprised that even submission attempts are only scored based on how close they were to finishing. I scored Ketlen Vs Yana to Yana but easily gave Ketlen round 3 before sitting down and getting the rules explained to me.

That might happen but a lot of the rules we're told is based off of dumbass judges who say things like "There's no way the judges got that right. Weird scoring". They'll tell us about how someone "stole the round with a late takedown" but there's not an MMA judge around who'll say that's a factor. "They're all ex-boxing judges"....some are, sure....but they've mostly been judging MMA for longer than half of the guys on the roster have been training. Plus, Dom Cruz and Joe Rogan accusing an official of looking at his phone instead of judging the fight, when it wasn't even a judge in the end. Commentry sways us so much it's ridiculous. Adesanya was beating Blachowicz by feinting according to DC and Joe.

[barney]

FUCK HE DONE IT AGAIN

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