Trump2020 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I want to see video of PBR cutting his guns in half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I want to see video of PBR cutting his guns in half will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump2020 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 will never happen Never say never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I'm not about to get pulled into this quagmire, but I'm really baffled that people in a first world country feel threatened enough on a day-to-day basis to feel like they need to own several guns for personal self defense. Like if I lived somewhere like that I'd move immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I'm not about to get pulled into this quagmire, but I'm really baffled that people in a first world country feel threatened enough on a day-to-day basis to feel like they need to own several guns for personal self defense. Like if I lived somewhere like that I'd move immediately. Is the USA a first world country? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump2020 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is the USA a first world country? I highly doubt that you would be able to defend yourself with semi automatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump2020 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Tim with a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/is-weapon-more-important-someones-12057023 I have huge respect for this individual "legal gun owner". Someone like PBR, or really, any gun owner with a shred of a soul left, really should watch the video and hear what this man has to say. How does getting rid of AR's or AK's stop gun violence? Think about the statistics... over 265 million guns.. let's round up and say 8000 gun related incidents in the last year... I'm not a mathematician but we're talking about a fraction of 1%. You can do the same amount of damage in a school with a pistol. Look at Virginia Tech school shooting... killed 32 people with a glock and a .22 pistol and injured 25 others. Those aren't even the highest caliber pistols on the market. May not be 100% accurate I didn't fact check these statistics: Handguns account for 65% of homicides Rifles (of all kinds) account for 3% or less The notion that legislators can "stop the killing...by changing the law" is perennially appealing, but it is completely divorced from reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasman Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Wow, whats wrong with these mentally sick fucks.... Porn is now a danger to peoples health....way more dangerous than assault weapons.. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/florida-house-porn-assault-weapons-ban_us_5a8d37d4e4b03414379bac85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 That last quote is just demonstrably false, Chris. As mentioned earlier, Australia implemented a blanket ban on most firearms 20 years ago and effectively ended their gun violence epidemic. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Like it's pretty tone deaf to claim that increased gun control does not help when there's way more gun violence in the US than anywhere else in the civilized world. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 That last quote is just demonstrably false, Chris. As mentioned earlier, Australia implemented a blanket ban on most firearms 20 years ago and effectively ended their gun violence epidemic. Nonsense amigo. Apples and oranges. The sad part is that people read your comments and are completely uneducated (or delusional) to think the two society's are comparable. It's like, Democracy works for America, it should work for Iraq and Afghanistan too. We seen how that worked out... Australia population in 1996 = 19 million (rounded up) America population in 1996 = 269.4 million now... it's 2018... 350 million people in America... big fucking difference between America and Australia... 265 million guns in America. How many guns did Australia have in 1996? Totally different situations man. Wow, whats wrong with these mentally sick fucks.... Porn is now a danger to peoples health....way more dangerous than assault weapons.. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/florida-house-porn-assault-weapons-ban_us_5a8d37d4e4b03414379bac85 They didn't say it was more dangerous than guns lol. They said health hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Even adjusted for population, the gun crime rates in the US blow most countries in the world out of the water. The only places that have higher gun related homocide rates per 100k citizens are either 1) run by military juntas/dictators, 2) dominated by the mob, 3) literal war zones. For comparison, countries with similar socioeconomic development to the US generally hover around ~0.80 gun homicides per 100k citizens. The US is at about 3.9, which is close to the homicide rates in fucking Iraq. There's a lot of reasons why democracy has not worked in either Iraq nor Afghanistan yet, but it's generally either societal factors (like Iraq being a colony for centuries before ending up under the totalitarian, minority-run Baaht regime) or due to civil war. I don't see how that applies to the US. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Even adjusted for population, the gun crime rates in the US blow most countries in the world out of the water. The only places that have higher gun related homocide rates per 100k citizens are either 1) run by military juntas/dictators, 2) dominated by the mob, 3) literal war zones. For comparison, countries with similar socioeconomic development to the US generally hover around ~0.80 gun homicides per 100k citizens. The US is at about 3.9, which is close to the homicide rates in fucking Iraq. There's a lot of reasons why democracy has not worked in either Iraq nor Afghanistan yet, but it's generally either societal factors (like Iraq being a colony for centuries before ending up under the totalitarian, minority-run Baaht regime) or due to civil war. I don't see how that applies to the US. My point is just because something works for one country, doesn't mean it'll work for another. People constantly point to the Australia ban... it's not comparable and we're in two completely different situations. It'd be much easier to govern 20 million people in comparison to 250-350 million. I bet there was at least 200 million less guns in circulation as well when Australia did that... the same country that thinks it's ok to shoot great white sharks with AR-15's from helicopters and pays fisherman to catch and shoot sharks lol... I'm not denying that we have a gun violence or culture problem related to shooting each other. The majority of U.S. homicides are gang / drug related and in poverty/low-income communities. It's a culture thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasman Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 My point is just because something works for one country, doesn't mean it'll work for another. People constantly point to the Australia ban... it's not comparable and we're in two completely different situations. It'd be much easier to govern 20 million people in comparison to 250-350 million. I bet there was at least 200 million less guns in circulation as well when Australia did that... the same country that thinks it's ok to shoot great white sharks with AR-15's from helicopters and pays fisherman to catch and shoot sharks lol... I'm not denying that we have a gun violence or culture problem related to shooting each other. The majority of U.S. homicides are gang / drug related and in poverty/low-income communities. It's a culture thing. No Chris, its just a sad, fucked up "thing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 You can't outright ban guns. If you do, those who legally acquire their guns will no longer do so, and those who illegally acquire guns will continue to do so. You end up with a situation where the only ones armed are those using their guns for criminal activity, and those without guns will not be able to defend themselves from those situations (although that being said the amount of situations where a gun defended against a gun are insanely small). But the way to handle everything is to make it insanely difficult to get a gun, and make it insanely punishable to be caught illegally with a gun. That will rise black market prices, making guns less attainable by Joe Crazy. The issue of course would then lie in overcrowding in prisons, but still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Apparently a good guy with a gun doesn't stop a bad guy with a gun... https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/23/politics/lapierre-nra-analysis/index.html?__twitter_impression=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 I don't have the source readily available, but I once read that having a firearm while being accosted by an offender who also has a firearm increased your chance of getting shot and killed by 300% or something insane like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Apparently a good guy with a gun doesn't stop a bad guy with a gun... https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/23/politics/lapierre-nra-analysis/index.html?__twitter_impression=true Out of curiosity... What's your point? you're posting CNN articles would be like me posting FOX articles lol. Find me some real statistics. http://rense.com/general76/univ.htm There you go. That'd be a good start. I don't have the source readily available, but I once read that having a firearm while being accosted by an offender who also has a firearm increased your chance of getting shot and killed by 300% or something insane like that. 100% defense rate. Lucky, Ninja, probably a little of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Out of curiosity... What's your point? you're posting CNN articles would be like me posting FOX articles lol. Find me some real statistics. http://rense.com/general76/univ.htm There you go. That'd be a good start. 100% defense rate. Lucky, Ninja, probably a little of both. That research has long been exposed as flawed. Too small of a population (2000), the South and the West are overincluded, only men answered and the people questioned answered to what was their own interpretation of preventing a crime, which can include circumstances where they themselves where the agressor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 That research has long been exposed as flawed. Too small of a population (2000), the South and the West are overincluded, only men answered and the people questioned answered to what was their own interpretation of preventing a crime, which can include circumstances where they themselves where the agressorI didn't read it but I would trust a random study over anything from CNN or fox. And you say too small of population when article you posted is 1 person... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Klerk is not some random study. He has been one of the most pro-gun pundits for years, and published multiple books on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joseppe Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 i have given plenty of facts throughout this thread -- no reason to go back and copy/paste them all -- and by the way i dont do the vote up or down because i dont like the idea of it being hidden -- if i dont agree with you, you know dont need no hidden vote to hide behind Maybe you have but the "fact" you gave about the UKs violent crime being higher id suggest you look deeper than "violent crime" as a blanket statement. I apologize for the downvote comment if im incorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 http://ktul.com/news/local/graphic-video-liquor-store-clerks-shoot-armed-robbery-suspect-fight-over-gun Surveillance video shows the suspect behind the counter before walking out of the camera's view. The owner and her daughter both grab their guns, and when the suspect returns, the owner opens fire. The owner suffered a gash to the head, which required staples. Both she and her daughter declined an interview but gave us permission to share the video. The owner's son said their guns saved their lives. "We're not going to be victims," said Justin Christen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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