PBP Commentary

Coming up we have a welterweight MMA rules bout between Dean Duggan (ranked 0 p4p, 0 weight class) and No For Gay Jesus (ranked 0 p4p, 0 weight class). Duggan comes into the arena with The Fratellis - Chelsea Dagger blaring out of the sound system. Jesus has chosen Havana as his entrance music. Dean Duggan had a look across the cage there at his opponent. He definitely means business

Duggan
vs
For Gay Jesus

181 cm
33
169 lbs
17 - 7 - 0

183 cm
28
171 lbs
13 - 4 - 0

Great wrestler
World class boxer
Insanely flexible

Good wrestler
World class boxer
Good gas tank

Spartan Nutrition
Arcticus University: London

Bullet Proof System
Hellbent

Ladies and gentlemen. This fight is 5 rounds, for the welterweight championship of the world!
Introducing the champion to my left, fighting out of the red corner.
With a record of 17 - 7 - 0, fighting out of Amsterdam, Dean Duggan!
And introducing the challenger to my right, fighting out of the blue corner.
With a record of 13 - 4 - 0, fighting out of Los Angeles, No For Gay Jesus!
The judges for this bout are Frank Antenori, and Timothy Bukovac.

The bell rings for round one and we are underway!
That kick from Duggan tenderised Jesus's leg. Jesus is trying to keep his angry face on.
Jesus tries a low kick but Duggan avoids it.
That kick from Jesus tenderised Duggan's leg. Duggan is trying to keep his angry face on.
No For Gay Jesus seems to be the more aggressive standup fighter in this bout.
Jesus swings and misses with a hook to the body.
Jesus keeping a good distance there, avoiding the body shot.
Jesus is on the wrong end of a nice combination from Duggan.
Jesus throws a big shot that misses.
Duggan steps to the side to avoid the strikes from Jesus.
Duggan swung with a counter right hand that didn't connect.
Duggan wants to land a leg kick but Jesus is out of range.
Duggan uses decent footwork to sidestep a right hand from Jesus.
We've had a slow start to the round here - hopefully the action picks up.
A swing and a miss from Duggan.
Jesus throws out a powerful jab.

It looks like Dean Duggan has been cut.
Duggan scores with a jab to the jaw.
Duggan takes a step back and watches a body kick go sailing past his mid section.
The fans in attendance giving it up for the two fighters, who have really let it all hang out in the last minute or so!
Jesus throws a leg kick that misses.

That's one minute gone in the round.
The fight stays on the outside here - Duggan looks like he's thinking about clinching though.
Jesus throws a body kick that misses.
Jesus lands a body shot.
Good leg kick by Jesus there. It's the ones that make that thud noise that hurt and that was an almighty thud.
Duggan takes an uppercut right on the button but keeps his composure.
Duggan moves out of range of the body kick from Jesus.
Jesus pushes Duggan away with a front kick.
A low kick from Duggan is predictable there
and Jesus counters with a lovely straight right hand!
Jesus scores with a leg kick.
Jesus throws a low kick, looking for Duggan's leg but Duggan calmly moves out of range.
Jesus moves into range and lands a nice body kick.
Duggan uses decent footwork to sidestep a right hand from Jesus.
Duggan is looking for a counter combo.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Jesus checks a leg kick nicely.
A slapping body kick lands there for Duggan.
The fans in attendance giving it up for the two fighters, who have really let it all hang out in the last minute or so!
Duggan tries to move into range but Jesus moves to the side and lands with a nice right hand.
Jesus tries to close the distance and clinch but Duggan swats him to one side with an open hand palm strike and circles away.
Jesus has been spending a lot of time sparring his boxing in the run up to the fight, trying to sharpen up those hands and look for a knockout.
Jesus misses with a straight right.
Jesus lands a nice shot to the body.
Duggan throws a monster uppercut resembling something out of street fighter but it doesn't land.
Duggan moves out of range as Jesus throws a body kick.
Duggan fakes high and swings low for a body shot but Jesus manages to avoid it.
Jesus tries to score with an inside leg kick but telegraphs it and Duggan is able to avoid easily.
Duggan tries to clinch there but Jesus circles away.
Jesus looks to land a left hand but Duggan moved out of range nicely.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Jesus lands with a nice low kick. That'll leave a bruise.
Jesus throws an ugly left hook that misses
and Duggan counters with a body kick that brings a smile to the face of both fighters.
Jesus misses with a lunging right hand
and Duggan counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
Duggan throws a lazy right hand but Jesus sees it coming a mile off and sidesteps it easily.
Jesus looking to throw a kick but he's pulled out of it.
Duggan tries to score with a leg kick but it misses it's target.
Jesus misses with a shot to the body
and he gets countered with a snapping leg kick.
Jesus throws a half hearted mid kick.
Duggan swung with a counter punch to the body but it didn't connect.
Duggan lands with a nice low kick. That'll leave a bruise.
Duggan goes for a high kick. It partially lands.
Jesus tries to land a body kick
and Duggan counters with a leg kick.
Jesus takes a swing at Duggan's ribcage but misses.
Jesus blocks a jab.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Jesus takes a swing at Duggan's ribcage but misses.
A nice inside leg kick there by Jesus. That's going to slow Duggan down.
The crowd are loving this. Great action here.
Duggan throws a poor cross that misses
and Jesus counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
A punch lands to the side of Jesus 's head but he takes it in his stride.
Jesus swings for the body but Duggan moves out of range.
Duggan was looking to counter that move with a punch but didn't quite pull the trigger.
Jesus throws a lazy right hand but Duggan sees it coming a mile off and sidesteps it easily.
As Jesus looks to move away, Duggan throws a big counter combo but Jesus just gets out of the way.
Jesus lands with a thumping leg kick.
Jesus connects with a hook to the side of his opponent's head.
Jesus misses with a body shot.
Nice shot by Jesus.
Jesus misses with a hook to the body
and Duggan cracks him with a counter punch right on the button.
Duggan scores with a hook.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

No For Gay Jesus dominated that round.
The cut man is working on Dean Duggan's cut.
That's the end of the interval. I'm sure that seemed a lot quicker than a minute for our two fighters! Back to the action.

Duggan scores with a punch to the head.
Jesus misses with a looping left.
Duggan tried to counter with a leg kick but Jesus avoided it.
A low kick from Jesus misses
and Duggan counters with a lovely straight right hand!
Jesus throws a couple of head shots and lands with the final one - a decent hook, which struck Duggan on the side of the head.
Jesus feints and then cracks Duggan's leading leg with a nice low kick. He's obviously looking to slow Duggan down.
A jab lands there for Duggan.
Jesus takes a swing at Duggan's ribcage but misses.
Jesus tries to land with a swinging hook to the body but Duggan was well out of range. Poor timing from Jesus.
Duggan is looking for a counter combo.
No For Gay Jesus seems to be getting the better of the standup.
Duggan throws out a leg kick but Jesus moves out of range and Duggan only half commits.
We've had a slow start to the round here - hopefully the action picks up.
Duggan misses with a wild body shot.
Jesus misses with an uppercut.
Duggan thuds a left hand into Jesus's body.
Duggan tries to work over Jesus's front leg with a kick but Jesus checks it.
Jesus throws out a counter right but Duggan avoids it with no problem.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Jesus lands a nice leg kick that just misses Duggan's sensitive parts.
Duggan misses with a low kick.
A countering left hand to the body from Jesus misses.
Jesus throws a predictable looking body shot
letting Duggan counter with a right hand.
Jesus misses with a looping right.
Duggan works his jab well there, keeping his opponent at a distance.
Duggan tries to move into range but Jesus moves to the side and lands with a nice right hand.
Jesus lands with a nice body punch.
Duggan throws a leg kick but Jesus sees it coming and moves out of range.
Jesus throws out a counter right but Duggan avoids it with no problem.
Jesus misses with a body kick.
Jesus lands a nice hook to Duggan's body. Duggan takes it in his stride and looks to land his own strikes.
Duggan takes an uppercut right on the jaw but it doesn't phase him.

Duggan has taken the fight to the clinch.
The crowd are loving this. Great action here.
Duggan lands with a short shot to the head.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Duggan struggles to land a body shot inside as Jesus controls his hands.
Jesus scores with a nice hook to the head.
Duggan tries to throw a body punch but Jesus avoids it by throwing Duggan back against the cage.
Jesus swings wildly with an uppercut but Duggan uses good head movement to avoid it.
Jesus blocks a couple of punches on the inside.
Jesus blocking some punches.
Jesus tries to work over Duggan's body with a swooping hook but it only glances the target.
Jesus lands with a left to the head.
Jesus makes some space for himself and lands an uppercut.
Duggan lands with a left to the head.

Duggan escapes the clinch and we're back to striking.
Jesus moves out of range as Duggan strikes.
Duggan defending well as Jesus loads up on a big left hand.
Duggan misses with a body shot.
Jesus takes a hook to the side of the head. I wonder if that's got his ears ringing.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Jesus uses some good footwork to avoid the body shot by Duggan.
Nice uppercut there from Jesus.
Jesus connects with a right hand. Duggan shakes it off.
A jab from Jesus misses.
Duggan throws a series of punches but Jesus moves out of range.
Duggan uses decent footwork to sidestep a right hand from Jesus.
Duggan lands a jab. Then a cross. Then finally a nice hook to the body. Good work there by Duggan.
Jesus moves into range and lands a nice leg kick.
A slow jab from Jesus misses its intended target.
Jesus tries to land with a swinging hook to the body but Duggan was well out of range. Poor timing from Jesus.
Duggan waving his hands out in front of him, looking to distract Jesus.
Jesus tries to close the distance and clinch up but Duggan swats him away and circles back towards the center.
Duggan went nuts there looking for a big combo counter but none of the flurry connected.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Duggan lands with a thumping leg kick.
Duggan takes a shot right to the bread basket.
Fantastic stuff here - a very entertaining period of action, which has drawn cheers from the crowd.
Jesus misses the shot to the body.
Duggan checks a leg kick.
Jesus fakes high and swings low for a body shot but Duggan manages to avoid it.
Duggan with a hook.
Duggan throws a feint and then finishes with a kick to the body.
Duggan checks a leg kick nicely.
Jesus works the jab nicely.
Jesus scores with a sloppy right hand. Duggan should have avoided that one.
Duggan is hobbling a little on that front leg after taking quite a few leg kicks so far in this fight.
Duggan moves out of range of the body kick.
Duggan moves out of range as Jesus throws a body kick.
Duggan is looking to counter punch.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

A close second round but No For Gay Jesus will probably get the nod - 10:9.
The cut man is working on Dean Duggan's cut.
The fighters get back to their feet, the hooter sounds and we're back to the action!

Jesus fakes with the hands and throws a leg kick but Duggan is out of range.
Jab, jab by Duggan - just one landing.
Jesus misses with a body punch
and Duggan counters with a leg kick that reverborates around the arena.
Jesus throws a leg kick but Duggan checks it.
Jesus misses with an uppercut
and Duggan counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
Jesus throws an overhand right that lands on Duggan's shoulder, as Duggan tries to avoid the shot.
Duggan went nuts there looking for a big combo counter but none of the flurry connected.
Jesus throws a push kick but Duggan slaps the foot to one side.
Duggan throwing a counter right hand but Jesus manages to avoid it.
Duggan defending well as Jesus loads up on a big left hand.
Duggan feinted there with a counter leg kick.
Jesus keeping a good distance there, avoiding the body shot.
We've had a slow start to the round here - hopefully the action picks up.
Duggan lets loose with a powerful body kick. Jesus will feel that in the morning.
Duggan moves out of range as Jesus throws a body kick.
Jesus fakes with a right hand and throws a good leg kick, right into the thigh. That had to hurt Duggan.
Jesus misses with a looping right.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Jesus throws a monster uppercut resembling something out of street fighter but it doesn't land.
Duggan lands a leg kick and bounces back out of range.
Duggan lands a jab to the head.
Jesus throws a body kick that misses
and Duggan counters with a quick right hand to the jaw.
Duggan misses with a looping left.
Jesus throws a head kick that misses and slips in the process. He scrambles back to his feet and the fighters circle.
Duggan is looking for a counter combo.
Jesus tries to close the distance and clinch up against the cage but Duggan paws at him with a jab and circles away.
Jesus ducks low and lands a nice hook to the body of his opponent.
Jesus misses with a body shot. Nice footwork from Duggan.
Jesus moves out of range of the strikes.
A nice side step and Jesus releases a counter shot to the body, but it doesn't find it's home.
Jesus wants to slow Duggan down by chopping away at his legs.
An attempted straight right counter from Duggan misses the target.
Jesus looks shocked there as he takes a right hand to the temple.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Jesus takes a body punch that cleary hurt but he's trying not to show any weakness.
Jesus throws a leg kick but Duggan checks it.
Jesus misses with a low kick.
Jesus throws an off balance right hand
and Duggan counters with a crisp hook to the side of the head.
The fans in attendance giving it up for the two fighters, who have really let it all hang out in the last minute or so!
Duggan rushes forward with a series of wild hooks but Jesus moves out of range and avoids them all easily.
Jesus throws a leg kick which misses Duggan's front leg but catches the back leg as Duggan tries to avoid it.
Jesus throws a hard body shot but it just misses.
Jesus lands a jab to Duggan's midsection.
Jesus throws a decent looking leg kick but it doesn't land clean.
Duggan checks a leg kick.
Duggan chopped to the floor by a nice leg kick but he springs right back up before Jesus can pounce on him.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Duggan explodes with a nice body kick and back out of range. Nice work.
An inside leg kick from Duggan misses.
Duggan misses with a looping right.
Duggan throws a right hand that misses
and Jesus counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
Jesus dips down and scores with a jab to the body.
Jesus throws an off balance right hand
and Duggan counters with a stiff right hand.
Duggan avoids a lazy jab quite easily.
Duggan lands a body shot.
Duggan misses with a hook. Jesus ducked under it nicely.
Duggan closes the distance looking to clinch
and Jesus counters with a nice uppercut.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Jesus throws a body shot but no joy.
A little feinted left hand from Duggan on the counter but he doesn't commit to it.
Jesus swings and misses with a hook to the body.
Duggan lands a jab to Jesus's midsection.
Jesus ducks down and throws a hook to the body but Duggan moves away.
This is a great period of action - very entertaining stuff!
Jesus thows a leg kick but Duggan checks it
and Duggan counters with a straight right hand.
Jesus thows a leg kick but Duggan checks it
and Duggan counters with a right hand to the body.
Jesus takes a shot to the eye socket. That's gotta hurt.
Duggan misses with a body shot.
Jesus tries to land a front kick but Duggan steps back. That was a bit too telegraphed.
Duggan thinks about countering with a body kick.
Jesus with a jab.
A leg kick checked by Duggan.
Duggan looks to score with a jab to the body but Jesus is just out of range.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

That was a close round but Dean Duggan did the better work so I'd imagine he'll take it.
The cut man is working on Dean Duggan's cut.
The referee calls time. The cornermen exit stage left and we're back to business.

Duggan tries to score with a low kick but Jesus moves his leg out of the way.
A slow jab from Duggan misses its intended target.
Jesus throws out a loose jab but Duggan uses good head movement to avoid it.
It looked like Duggan wanted to counter with a hook but didn't fully commit.
Jesus uses good head movement to avoid the hook from Duggan.
Jesus connects with a good right hand that stumbles Duggan. Duggan circles away out of range and recomposes himself.
Jesus scores with a jab to the jaw.
A slapping leg kick lands for Duggan.
Jesus shoots in but Duggan avoids the takedown attempt easily.
We've had a slow start to the round here - hopefully the action picks up.
Jesus shapes like he's going to throw a leg kick but settles back down.
Jesus swats away the attempt to clinch by Duggan.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Jesus looks to score with a jab to the body but Duggan is just out of range.
Jesus throws a leg kick but Duggan sees it coming and moves out of range.
Jesus feints with a shoulder and throws a nice leg kick to Duggan's calf.
Duggan shakes his hands off, looking to compose himself, but takes a jab to the jaw whilst he does it.
Duggan jabs Jesus to the body, keeping him at a distance.
Jesus will need to close the distance a bit before he attacks - that leg kick was thrown from too far away.
Jesus misses the shot to the body.
Duggan throwing a counter right hand but Jesus manages to avoid it.
Duggan scores with a nice strike.
Duggan jabs Jesus right on the nose. Jesus blinks but takes it well.
Duggan scores with the left hand. Jesus knows he should have avoided that one.
Jesus scores with a jab to the jaw.
Duggan throws a nice outside leg kick.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Jesus misses with a right hand
and Duggan counters with a nice low kick that buckles Jesus's knee momentarily.
We've seen a great period of action over the last minute or so - credit to both fighters for going all out!
Jab, jab by Jesus - just one landing.
Ouch! a nice leg kick from Jesus, right into the meat.
Jesus misses with a lunging right hand
and Duggan counters with a nice leg kick.
A lazy body kick from Jesus
and he gets countered with a snapping leg kick.
Jesus walks straight into an uppercut. Luckily it didn't land flush.

Duggan moves into the clinch.
Jesus tries to circle away but Duggan has him pinned against the cage.
Duggan scores with a shoulder strike.
Jesus wants to push off and get back to the center of the mat but Duggan has him pressed against the cage.
Jesus has a couple of punches blocked by Duggan.
Duggan tries to land a shot to the body but it's blocked.
Duggan swings away with an uppercut that misses.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Duggan throws a head punch that misses.

Duggan pushes off and circles away, back to the middle of the mat.
Jesus misses with an uppercut
and Jesus takes a counter punch right on the button for his troubles.
Jesus throws a low kick, looking for Duggan's leg but Duggan calmly moves out of range.
Duggan displays some good footwork, moving neatly out of range as Jesus throws out the jab.
Jesus throws out a token jab with nothing on it.
Duggan swings for the body but Jesus moves out of range.
Jesus cracks the inside of Duggan's front leg.
Jesus defending well as Duggan loads up on a big left hand.
Duggan misses with a body shot.
Duggan moves out of range of the body kick.
Duggan throws a big counter combination but Jesus scrambles out of danger and avoids any damage.
Jesus walks forward and throws out a flicking leg kick. Duggan checks it nicely though, as he moves to the side.
Jesus has his head slapped from side to side by a 3 punch combination. That must have hurt him.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Duggan scores with a slapping inside leg kick.
Jesus throws a jab when Duggan was well out of range.
Duggan throws a hook but Jesus avoids it easily.
Duggan uses good footwork to get in and out, landing a nice hook.
The fans in attendance giving it up for the two fighters, who have really let it all hang out in the last minute or so!
Duggan tries to work over Jesus's front leg with a kick but Jesus checks it.
A solid leg kick lands there for Jesus.
Jesus walks into a straight right hand from Duggan.
Duggan lands three nice shots there - that looked like it hurt!
A looping hook to the body misses from Jesus. Duggan does a little dance to reset his feet.
It looked like Duggan was trying to counter with a body shot coming off that last attack from Jesus.
Duggan loads up on a big right hand but Jesus slips the punch.
Jesus misses with a body shot.
Duggan went nuts there looking for a big combo counter but none of the flurry connected.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

Dean Duggan had his way with No For Gay Jesus in that round.
The cut man is working on Dean Duggan's cut.
That's time! Duggan's corner gives him a slap on the ass as he gets ready to fight. This is the final round!

Jesus tries to land a leg kick but Duggan saw it coming and moves away.
Jesus keeping a good distance there, avoiding the body shot.
Jesus fakes a jab and throws a low kick but Duggan checks it well.
Jesus scores with a leg kick.
Duggan scores with a sloppy punch to the body. Not much technique there but it did the business.
Jesus drops his hands momentarily and Duggan takes advantage with a crisp shot to the head.
Jesus scores with a punch to the gut of his opponent.
Duggan uses decent footwork to sidestep a right hand from Jesus.
We've had a slow start to the round here - hopefully the action picks up.
Duggan moves out of range as Jesus throws a body kick.
Duggan quickly followed up with a counter body kick but doesn't connect.
Jesus throws the left hand but Duggan avoids the punch easily.
A telegraphed right hand from Jesus misses the target.
Jesus cracks Duggan with an open hand slap.

That's one minute gone in the round.
A clash of legs there as Duggan blocks the low kick.
Jesus throws a body kick, spinning off balance
and Duggan counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
Jesus fakes a jab and throws a low kick but Duggan checks it well.
Duggan uses some good footwork to avoid the body shot by Jesus.
Duggan throws a leg kick which misses Jesus's front leg but catches the back leg as Jesus tries to avoid it.
Jesus looks to throw a body kick
and Duggan makes the exchange count by landing a cracking kick to the body. Jesus really felt that one!
Jesus throws a wild body kick that Duggan sees coming a mile off.
A head kick misses from Jesus.
Jesus throws out a token jab with nothing on it.
Jesus stumbles momentarily as he takes a strong leg kick from Duggan.
Duggan moves forwards but Jesus connects with a nice, crisp jab.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Duggan scoring well with a low kick there.
Duggan moves into range and connects with a jab.
Oooooooooooh, not good. A low kick from Jesus lands where it shouldn't have, right in the... well, you know what he did? He kicked him in the penis. He's injured, injured bad. The referee sends both fighters to their corners and Duggan has 5 minutes to recover. He's OK now though... a thumbs up from Duggan and we're back underway with a touch of gloves.
Duggan uses good head movement to avoid the hook from Jesus.
Duggan catches Jesus with a nice straight right. He seems pissed - ooooh, it's on now! On like donkey kong!
We've seen a great period of action over the last minute or so - credit to both fighters for going all out!
Jesus throws a lazy uppercut
and Duggan counters with a nice leg kick.
Duggan throws a hard body shot but it just misses.
Jesus misses with a wild body shot.
Jesus scores with a hook to the body. Duggan takes a step back and tries to catch his breath.
Jesus blocks a leg kick.
Duggan wants to clinch up but Jesus keeps it at a distance.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Jesus misses with a hook to the body
enabling Duggan to counter with a crisp jab.
Jesus throws a hook to the body but it doesn't connect.
Jesus misses with a shot to the body
and Duggan cracks him with a counter punch right on the button.
Jesus swings widly with a right hand
and Duggan counters with a stiff right hand.
Duggan keeping a good distance there, avoiding the body shot.
Jesus has developed a nice purple lump on his ribcage, as a result of some heavy body kicks from Duggan.
Duggan tries to score with a leg kick but it misses it's target.
Jesus misses with a lunging right hand
and Duggan counters with a straight punch to the midsection.
Duggan throws a nice outside leg kick.
Duggan swinging wildly here.
Jesus scores with a slapping inside leg kick.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Jesus misses with a wild body shot.
A low kick from Jesus misses
and Duggan counters with a lovely shot to the body.
Jesus pushing out the jab but it's not landing.
Jesus bobs and weaves well there to avoid the strikes.
Jesus misses with a leg kick
and Duggan counters with a nice body shot.
Fantastic stuff here - a very entertaining period of action, which has drawn cheers from the crowd.
A kick lands to the mid section there for Jesus.
Duggan fakes high and swings low for a body shot but Jesus manages to avoid it.
Duggan walks into a stiff left hand from Jesus.
Duggan scores with a sloppy right hand. Jesus should have avoided that one.
Jesus thows a leg kick but Duggan checks it
and Duggan counters with a nice low kick that buckles Jesus's knee momentarily.

And that's the end of the fight!
Dean Duggan showed his dominance in that final round.
Well Duggan has outscored his opponent in every aspect of the fight today. Only a scarily incompetent judge or two will keep him from a well deserved win... Over to the ring announcer for the scorecards.

Ladies and gentlemen, after 5 rounds of action, we go to the scorecards for a decision.
Judge Frank Antenori scores the fight 48:47
Judge Percy O'Donnell scores the fight 49:47
Judge Timothy Bukovac scores the fight 48:47

In favor of your winner, by unanimous decision... Dean Duggan!
Dean Duggan retains his welterweight title!
A relieved looking Dean Duggan thanked the fans for their support and gave the usual line about them being amazing. They seemed to believe that he actually meant it.